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re: There are several situations where the USA will advance.

Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by CheerWhine
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Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:37 pm to
Don't like the idea of having to get a result against Germany to advance. Let's just take care of business and beat Portugal tomorrow!
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:54 pm to
A win vs Portugal or Germany gets us through.

Lets win the damn game.

I hope J.K. gets em fired up and tells them screw Ronaldo, lets win this shyt.

They don't need to be in awe of Ronaldo or scared of injuring the player, WW NEED TO GET STUCK IN.

GOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo USA
Posted by Mizzou_Fan
Member since Jan 2014
78 posts
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

USA Loss to Portugal - US ties Germany, Portugal ties Ghana, & advance on GD over Portugal(5 goal lead currently)

Wouldn't Portugal advance because of head-to-head?
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12180 posts
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:38 pm to
quote:

The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.

If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings will be determined as follows:

d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee."


TL;DR
First tiebreaker is Goal Differential...
Followed by total goals scored in group...
Then Head to Head.
Posted by CyrustheVirus
Member since Jan 2013
2911 posts
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:49 pm to
quote:

TL;DR
First tiebreaker is Goal Differential...
Followed by total goals scored in group...
Then Head to Head.


How is head to head the last thing used? It should be first.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 11:50 pm
Posted by BamaChick
Terminus
Member since Dec 2008
21393 posts
Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:05 am to
Because advancing is more about how you did in all three matches in your group and using a tiebreaker that is solely dependent on the results of one match isn't as good an indicator as a team's goal differential or total goals scored which are more indicative of how a team performed in their group as a whole.
This post was edited on 6/22/14 at 12:06 am
Posted by Mahootney
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:31 am to
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BamaChick
Exactly.
Posted by BamaChick
Terminus
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:28 am to
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:50 am to
quote:

USA Loss to Portugal:

- USA beats Germany... or
- US ties Germany, Portugal ties Ghana, & advance on GD over Portugal(5 goal lead currently)... or
- US ties Germany, Ghana beats Portugal, & advance on Head to Head.

It's not as simple as head to head. Goal differential would come in to play first.
Posted by CheerWhine
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 4:42 am to
Yeah, this is simplifying it a little, but in this scenario, we can't possibly beat Ghana on goal difference. We're +1 right now, so a loss to Portugal would put us even at best, which would stay the same if we tie Germany. Ghana is -1 right now, and a win over Portugal would make them at least even.

Since we can't win on goal difference in this scenario, the only way for us to advance is to get the tiebreaker to goals scored. If that's also tied, we will advance based on head-to-head against Ghana.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:10 pm to
Just win baby!
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12180 posts
Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

Yeah, this is simplifying it a little, but in this scenario, we can't possibly beat Ghana on goal difference. We're +1 right now, so a loss to Portugal would put us even at best, which would stay the same if we tie Germany. Ghana is -1 right now, and a win over Portugal would make them at least even.

Since we can't win on goal difference in this scenario, the only way for us to advance is to get the tiebreaker to goals scored. If that's also tied, we will advance based on head-to-head against Ghana.
Exactly.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:09 pm to
If Ghana beats Portugal 2-0 your post is fricked.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 6:58 pm to
Aren't we a two goal lead on Ghana?
Posted by dinner roll
buttery goodness
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 7:10 pm to
What's to stop US and Germany from standing around for 90 minutes to go through with 5 points?
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34329 posts
Posted on 6/22/14 at 7:14 pm to
quote:

Aren't we a two goal lead on Ghana?


Yes but let's go ahead and assume we lose to Germany (lowering our GD by at least 1).

If Ghana beats Portugal by 1, they draw even. Beat them by 2, and they advance.

If we are going to lose to Germany, we need to lose well.
This post was edited on 6/22/14 at 7:21 pm
Posted by bayoubengal225
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2009
5360 posts
Posted on 6/22/14 at 7:18 pm to
How do we have a two goal lead on Ghana? I don't see that
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34329 posts
Posted on 6/22/14 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

How do we have a two goal lead on Ghana? I don't see that


We have +1 and they have -1?
Posted by OutofTownAlumni
Member since Nov 2013
3036 posts
Posted on 6/22/14 at 7:25 pm to
If Portugal wins 2-0. How does USA advance?
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
23140 posts
Posted on 6/22/14 at 7:25 pm to
Yea we do.
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