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re: The real problem with the USMNT
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:50 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:50 am to pvilleguru
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This is WAY more important than
the two go hand in hand
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Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:50 am to Buckeye Backer
I keep seeing speed mentioned throughout this thread.
Lynden Gooch, an American, was clocked as one of the fastest players in the EPL a couple years ago. And it didn't mean a damn thing.
On the flip side, Messi moves very little in a game and is regarded as the GOAT.
Lynden Gooch, an American, was clocked as one of the fastest players in the EPL a couple years ago. And it didn't mean a damn thing.
On the flip side, Messi moves very little in a game and is regarded as the GOAT.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:51 am to Buckeye Backer
I'm outta here guys, gotta run...good debate! I think we ALL want the USA to be better.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:51 am to Buckeye Backer
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My god...so let me get this strait...if what you are saying is true...the coaching, the system...all of that...you also wouldn't want the BEST athletes in America to play the sport. I just don't know what to say to that....
That’s not what he said at all
He never said he wouldn’t want that
He’s saying even if we had it, they wouldn’t be the best team in the world if they stayed here and developed
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:51 am to Buckeye Backer
Being the best athlete doesn't automatically make you the best player.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:52 am to Buckeye Backer
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My god...so let me get this strait...if what you are saying is true...the coaching, the system...all of that...you also wouldn't want the BEST athletes in America to play the sport. I just don't know what to say to that....
soccer isn't a game based off raw athleticism
some of the least athletic players are some of the best in the world bc they can read the game and make correct decisions
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:53 am to Buckeye Backer
When you were a student at OSU who was the best athlete you saw on campus eating lunch?
For me it had to be Clowney
For me it had to be Clowney
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 9:53 am
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:54 am to Buckeye Backer
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Disagree 100%...if our best athletes were playing soccer domestically, we wouldn't need to send them anywhere. Imagine if the BEST players in the NFL and NBA were playing in the MLS and developed from a young age...the competition level would be off the fricking charts.
Everything else equal, it’s better to be more athletic. But everything else isn’t equal, especially in soccer.
Because of many factors, including the way we coach youth soccer here, there’s a very good chance that an athlete of OBJ or Kylar Murray’s caliber wouldn’t be a top-level soccer player even if they focused on soccer at an early age.
Pure athleticism is not as important in soccer as it is in other sports, especially as it generally is in football.
You could make an argument that every player on the soccer pitch is analogous to the QB in football, where athleticism is important but not supremely so.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:56 am to StraightCashHomey21
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the two go hand in hand
Somewhat. Pay for play is the result of lack of funding. But if we had better coaching at the grassroots level (it's getting much better), that would have a much bigger impact than getting rid of pay for play (I'm not saying it's an either/or situation)
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:56 am to Buckeye Backer
What he's saying is technique and knowledge of the game is far superior than shear athleticism. Then having good athletes with those skills is just an added bonus
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:57 am to StraightCashHomey21
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some of the least athletic players are some of the best in the world
Pirlo is one player that comes to mind
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:58 am to Buckeye Backer
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And right there it is...YOU said it...their best most athletic people are playing sports. Ill leave it at that...
No fool. You missed my point. Athleticism is not what holds the US back. It’s training.
You’re focusing on Beckham (5’11”), Murray (5’10”), and Brown (5’11”)...so looking at measurables, you honestly don’t think the USMNT roster doesn’t have guys that are as tall and fast as those three? You should go take a look...using your logic, Weston McKennie at 6’1” with European training/experience is a superior athlete to Beckham, Murray, and Brown.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:05 am to pvilleguru
I think one improvement that will be very important is as the game grows the coaching at a recreational level will get much better. You will go from having dads who thought soccer was for wusses but will coach anyways to ones that actually understand the game and played it.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:07 am to Buckeye Backer
Don't bother with these mongoloids. They think jozy altidore is an elite American athlete (lol). The athleticism of the usmnt always gets overstated in these threads.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:09 am to pvilleguru
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Pay for play is the result of lack of funding. But if we had better coaching at the grassroots level (it's getting much better), that would have a much bigger impact than getting rid of pay for play.
Correct. Pay for play (and the relative importance of those teams) is a SYMPTOM of the problem.
But so is lack of funding a symptom. And so is poor coaching.
The basic problem is that too few people care. If soccer was more cared about here, there would be plenty of funding, lower-class kids would be found and developed (just like they are in basketball and football), and the coaching would be better.
I don’t think it’s even possible to get the U.S. generally to care enough about soccer to get us to the level of the top international teams.
That’s why I think we should try to be more like Iceland. You’ve seen their success come seemingly out of nowhere, and it’s due to a collective effort to FOCUS on being good. And they’re doing it in an area 7 times smaller than Texas with a population of 500k and with no NFL caliber athletes.
We need to get smaller, somehow, in order to increase the focus and pressure.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:09 am to LAcajun2
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You will go from having dads who thought soccer was for wusses but will coach anyways to ones that actually understand the game and played it.
That's essentially what I grew up with. There were only a few dads who actually knew anything about the sport and it was hard to find many games on tv.
I only knew a handful of kids that followed the professional game. I didn't know anything that wasn't strictly USMNT related.
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:14 am to pvilleguru
I wake up to find this thread went from 1 to 7 pages
Fuuuuuck
Fuuuuuck
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:16 am to Mr Personality
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I wake up
It’s 11:17 baw
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:21 am to I Bleed Garnet
I’m hungry
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:21 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:Did it occur to you that maybe there's a reason for that?
Has there ever been a goalie with Lebrons size and athleticism?
The United States is not the only country that spits out physical specimens...so looking out at the world, why are there no specimens with such frames playing GK? Why are there very few abnormally muscular players in futbol in general? Do you think the rest of the world is clueless about what they're doing in assembling football teams?
All keepers are agile tall creatures with big wingspans. Lebron is an incredible overall athletic specimen who would destroy anyone in a decathlon but where he is different (particularly with the muscle mass) does nothing to make him a better GK. He would likely only suffer on the mobility side. You seem to think he would be a sumo in front of a hockey net.
There isn't an abundance of physical specimens in the global game because football is fundamentally a technique sport. You need a baseline level of fitness but the USMNT does not lose games due to athleticism. They are already capable of matching or exceeding the straight-line speed or stamina of any team in the world. What they are not capable of is matching that straight-line speed on a run through world-class defenders and finishing the run with the perfect touch pass that sees the ball in the net.
You are correct in that our best raw athletes do not play soccer, but the importance of athleticism in the sport is nothing compared to technique.
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