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The Guardian: Fans treat USMNT like a club side and it could cost Berhalter his job

Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:29 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:29 pm
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There is a disconnect between what can be realistically expected of Berhalter as USMNT head coach and what a large section of the fanbase demands of him that can be attributed to the unique landscape of US soccer. In most other countries, supporters rank club over country. In the US, though, it is largely the inverse.

It might be a generational thing. MLS has, after all, only been around for 28 years. Soccer culture has grown quickly across the US, but it will take generations to develop the sort of deep-rooted club associations that are common elsewhere in the world. The USMNT, however, has been the focal point for American soccer fandom for decades.

While the American soccer ecosystem at club level has continually shifted, the national team has been a constant. They are for all intents and purposes a club team for many supporters. In other countries, discussion about the national team is parked between international windows. The discourse around the USMNT – and the USWNT – on the other hand, never stops.

This is to the US’s credit – the community around the USMNT is among the most vibrant in international soccer. The knock-on impact, however, is that expectations are frequently warped. The USMNT might be a club team to some supporters, but that doesn’t mean Berhalter can coach them like a club side.

The reality is that national team managers are largely in place as figureheads, not coaches. It is their job to ensure a happy camp and the US’s players appear to be behind Berhalter. Christian Pulisic, for one, publicly backed Berhalter amid US Soccer’s rehiring process after the 2022 World Cup.

None of this is to say Berhalter shouldn’t be scrutinised. The US’s current generation of players is among the best the country has ever produced and the 2026 World Cup on home soil is too valuable for US Soccer to simply cross its fingers and hope for the best. If there’s a chance another path would lead to greater success, they have a duty to explore it.

At this time, though, there is no obvious alternative. If not Berhalter, then who? Jesse Marsch interviewed for the job after the 2022 World Cup, but was ultimately passed over and recently hired by Canada. Jim Curtin was another name linked to the job last year, but the Philadelphia Union head coach has no experience outside Major League Soccer. Tata Martino ticked a number of boxes, but joined Lionel Messi at Inter Miami instead.



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Posted by lsugorilla
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:39 pm to
Tuchel
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:09 pm to
While there is some truth to that premise in terms of what the expectations are, that’s not what will cost Gregg his job.

Uninspired play and no statement wins over non-CONCACAF teams will.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:03 am to
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The reality is that national team managers are largely in place as figureheads, not coaches.


This is a lot more true than what people want to admit.

Yeah, an NT coach should obviously implement a tactical gameplan, but LOL at that one dude in the Colombia match thread that was blaming Gregg for the team not working on basic passing.

Like... that's just not how any of this works.
Posted by Ssubba
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:31 am to
Is this article pretending that Gregg gets more scrutiny than other NT team managers? It's true Americans care more about the NT than club football, but it's down right dumb to think that managers like Southgate, Deschamps, Nagelsmann and whoever the Mexican sacrificial lamb is doesn't get more from their respective fanbase. I guarantee they do. So what's the point of this article?

I'll add, the biggest reason for scrutiny is his MLS background. If the entire starting lineup is going to be from top European leagues, fans want a manager with equal European league experience. Probably not fair, but that's the reality.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 10:16 am
Posted by BCLA
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 9:31 am to
Ya I don't necessarily disagree with the article, but there is definitely no national team coaching job more scrutinized than the Mexican manager.
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:22 am to
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Probably not fair, but that's the reality.


Do we have any yanks coaching in the European leagues?
Posted by SEC. 593
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:32 am to
I compare international vs club play the same way I compare youth club vs. High school soccer here in the US.

High school soccer, because of dead periods and just the amount of time they are allowed, has become devoid of any technical instruction. Players run and scrimmage and that is about it. There is no time to work on drills and patterns because a week after practices start they are playing 2-3 games a week until the end of the season.

Posted by Broski
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:46 am to
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High school soccer, because of dead periods and just the amount of time they are allowed, has become devoid of any technical instruction. Players run and scrimmage and that is about it. There is no time to work on drills and patterns because a week after practices start they are playing 2-3 games a week until the end of the season.



But it's even more magnified than that because at least for high school you get 3-4 straight months to work with the team.

In national team, outside of the World Cup and confederation tournaments, you get a week tops with the team and that includes two games so there will be rest and regen days when no practice is done.

Specifically for the Colombia match, I think the whole team was together for 2 or 3 days prior to it. They aren't going to be doing drills for basic passing with so little time together.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:16 am to
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Jesse Marsch interviewed for the job after the 2022 World Cup, but was ultimately passed over


Uhh, what? Didn’t Marsch pass? Or
Is that just a rumor?
Posted by etm512
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:38 am to
This reads like another damn puff piece by our soft arse soccer media. And I'm not very critical of Gregg of late. The Colombia loss was bad but those last 3 goals were players acting like they've never played soccer before. I don't really put that on him.

But to say the fans are too hard on him is BS. He makes 7 figures and is in charge of our nation's one team. Your job is to pick the right squad and get the prepped in the same limited time every other national team coach has.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:30 pm to
Article is total true, but not breaking any new ground. National teams that win the World Cup and Euro are always among the most talented teams in the world and generational soccer powers. In my lifetime only Croatia at the WC and Greece, Denmark, and maybe Czechs have made a final without being a side with top 8 talent.

With the best players you need a coach to mostly not screw things up, and then provide a few tactics/strategies that get you over the hump. That said, I think all of the criticisms of Berhalter are valid.

Posted by Broski
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:44 pm to
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Uhh, what? Didn’t Marsch pass? Or
Is that just a rumor?


There's been a lot of sour grapes from Jesse and he has tried to control the message by saying he took his name out of the running.

Who knows.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 3:33 pm to
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Fans treat USMNT like a club side


Because most Americans don’t give a frick about our domestic league

The soccer culture around the national teams has been strong for 30+ years

MLS soccer culture is artificial and woke as frick. Unfortunately some of that has made its way into the stands of national teams matches.


This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 3:36 pm to
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MLS soccer culture is artificial and woke as frick. Unfortunately some of that has made its way into the stands of national teams matches.



The wokeness has nothing to do with it.

It's just American exceptionalism at play... if the league was considered the best league in the world, there would be widespread interest in it even if 5% of the fans in the stands had a rainbow flag.

Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:36 pm to
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MLS soccer culture is artificial and woke as frick. Unfortunately some of that has made its way into the stands of national teams matches.


What? Maybe you should go support an Italian team or Albania so you can make monkey chants to the players. Is that what you want? Another clown who throws around the word woke at the drop of a hat.
Posted by 225rumpshaker
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:39 pm to
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There's been a lot of sour grapes from Jesse and he has tried to control the message by saying he took his name out of the running.
Jesse is the ultimate spin master, so if he said something it is likely a lie or at least paints him in the most favorable image
Posted by WinnPtiger
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:00 pm to
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What? Maybe you should go support an Italian team or Albania so you can make monkey chants to the players. Is that what you want? Another clown who throws around the word woke at the drop of a hat.


is there no middle ground between monkey chants and gay race communism?
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81382 posts
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:57 pm to
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is there no middle ground between monkey chants and gay race communism?



There is, it's called minding your own business. But everything is so volatile that if anyone sees anything that they don't like, it becomes objective number 1 to scream from the rooftops and shame those people into oblivion, just because you don't agree with it.

Our society is so fricked up, whether you're gay, straight, trans, a dolphin, republican, democrat.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:42 am
Posted by WinnPtiger
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:25 am to
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Our society is so fricked up, whether you're gay, straight, trans, a dolphin, republican, democrat.


why?
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