- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: How long before the U.S. churns out a player like Mbappe or Harry Kane?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:43 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:43 pm to pvilleguru
What results would be considered successes for you? France won a WC ten years after their reorganization in 1988. Germany won one 14 years after. Belgium might win one this year. On the spectrum of possibility, I'd rather produce international players with the ability to possibly win the WC than produce average MLS players. If the ceiling is producing average MLS players, then I would suggest the model we are using is a massive failure for the national team.
1
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:50 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
What results would be considered successes for you?
More kids like Yedlin, McKennie, Adams, Miazga, EPB, etc. would be a good start.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:04 pm to pvilleguru
We would need at least 100 players of the appropriate quality to become a perennial QF of major competitions. And Yedlin is a good player, but he still has major technical deficiencies. I'd argue that our RBs of the last generation, like Hedjuk and Dolo were better on a technical level. I've liked what I've seen of Adams and McKennie.
That should be the ultimate aim of the youth system. The US Developmental Academy system is a big step in the right direction, and frankly, all it would take is one forward thinking person in the right position to make things work the right way. Hopefully the pay to play model will collapse somehow so we aren't left with any other option than a robust minor league and youth academy system. Otherwise we are basing our system on what amounts to luck rather than trying to get the most out of our population.
That should be the ultimate aim of the youth system. The US Developmental Academy system is a big step in the right direction, and frankly, all it would take is one forward thinking person in the right position to make things work the right way. Hopefully the pay to play model will collapse somehow so we aren't left with any other option than a robust minor league and youth academy system. Otherwise we are basing our system on what amounts to luck rather than trying to get the most out of our population.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:11 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
And Yedlin is a good player, but he still has major technical deficiencies
I don't disagree, but he's still a starter in the EPL and came through the Seattle academy. They are only going to get better as more of them start USL teams, which had helped a lot of players make a smoother transition to MLS.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:14 pm to pvilleguru
Hopefully. I'm very skeptical of our set up at the moment.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:16 pm to pvilleguru
Our USYNTs are largely made up of MLS academies and I think we were either the only one or one of 2 teams that made the quarterfinals of both the U17 and U20 WC.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:32 pm to pvilleguru
The rate of international quality players produced from international youth setups is notoriously difficult to predict. It doesn't portend anything about the future.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:33 pm to crazy4lsu
At the very least, you'd have to agree that it shows improvement from where we were a decade ago.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:43 pm to pvilleguru
I can concede that while also suggesting that international youth competitions are notoriously unreliable. I would like to be pleasantly surprised by the current model we employ, but I think we don't reach the kids who need to be reached.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Poors can't get coaching.
Soccer is worse than travel ball baseball.
Uruguay has less people than
Cook county Illinois or San Diego county.. They just finished 4th in world u20.
The same old dude is head coach national team as last time they got to world cup semis.
You think poor Uruguayans get to show if they may have a future in the game?
Soccer is worse than travel ball baseball.
Uruguay has less people than
Cook county Illinois or San Diego county.. They just finished 4th in world u20.
The same old dude is head coach national team as last time they got to world cup semis.
You think poor Uruguayans get to show if they may have a future in the game?
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:10 pm to CelticDog
quote:
You think poor Uruguayans get to play?
I think they play more than people in Cook and San Diego County.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:17 pm to pvilleguru
I know
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:58 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
The only way a majority of kids get scouted is by playing travel soccer which is extremely expensive
I'll put this into perspective. We pay around $4,000 a year (that is without tournament costs) for my daughter to play club soccer. Each club has between 8 (for younger kids) to 18 (for the older kids playing 11v11). Each age group has 3-4 skill divisions, and some times multiple teams per division. Then double that for the other gender. Established Club teams bring in close to a million dollars a year in revenue, for kids soccer.
The Club I used to play for is now leasing the Former indoor/outdoor practice facility of the Rams. They intend to complete the purchase next year.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:49 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
I think they play more than people in Cook and San Diego County.
this... these places produce more creative players bc they play more there, more sandlot soccer
Posted on 7/5/18 at 7:09 pm to CelticDog
quote:
Poors can't get coaching.
Soccer is worse than travel ball baseball.
Uruguay has less people than
Cook county Illinois or San Diego county.. They just finished 4th in world u20.
The same old dude is head coach national team as last time they got to world cup semis.
You think poor Uruguayans get to show if they may have a future in the game?
But it's not a matter of population, or money, or commitment.
It's the culture. Every single (i'm exaggerating but probably not far off) Uruguayan kid with talent gets discovered, because soccer is important there.
Poor kids don't get coaching here because soccer is not important to the vast majority of people.
That's why I agree with the idea of having regional (or even city, in the large metropolises) academies under the US soccer umbrella that operate independently of each other. I think you could develop enough of a soccer culture in NYC, Houston, Seattle, etc to identify and bring along more talent, with better coaching, than we are getting now.
To use an analogy, it takes a lot of pressure to form a diamond, and pressure is what gets you Iceland, Uruguay and Croatia. We have a huge pool of resources but need to focus our pressure and make some diamonds.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:13 pm to uway
We already have produced top goalies. That’s what we are known for now.
To illustrate the point. My son was in England a few years ago and his friend who was on a base there was trying to get some of local kids to play a game with them. It went like this;
American kid “hey you guys want to play a game my buddy from the US is here.
English kid: Great another American who probably can’t shoot.
American kid: He is an elite goalie but he does play back up striker too.
English kid:A goalie, is he good?
American kid: He is got a bunch of mvp medals that say he is.
English Kid: Ok, meet you in 30.
In which an epic game ensues, my son got more saves than you can count and the brits had a blast. (They won but my son kept the base kids in the game.) Then they wanted to play every day after school.
My sons friend said that’s about the only time they played with them much. So they had no interest in playing an American soccer player but an American Goalie...
Tim Howard during his prime was as good as anyone in the game.
To illustrate the point. My son was in England a few years ago and his friend who was on a base there was trying to get some of local kids to play a game with them. It went like this;
American kid “hey you guys want to play a game my buddy from the US is here.
English kid: Great another American who probably can’t shoot.
American kid: He is an elite goalie but he does play back up striker too.
English kid:A goalie, is he good?
American kid: He is got a bunch of mvp medals that say he is.
English Kid: Ok, meet you in 30.
In which an epic game ensues, my son got more saves than you can count and the brits had a blast. (They won but my son kept the base kids in the game.) Then they wanted to play every day after school.
My sons friend said that’s about the only time they played with them much. So they had no interest in playing an American soccer player but an American Goalie...
Tim Howard during his prime was as good as anyone in the game.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 12:12 pm to TutHillTiger
I have a feeling the multiple sports that Americans play in their youth really help with producing goalies.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 1:07 pm to fightingtigers98
Maybe I’ll see a US World Cup in my lifetime 
Posted on 7/6/18 at 10:25 pm to WicKed WayZ
We will never produce that talent. Best players are priced out of the sport at a young age and it's become a sport for the privileged here in the USA.
Not to mention parents paying their way into club teams just to keep up with the neighbors/friends. I see it first hand.
I wouldn't pay a couple Grand for the product, and coaching, I've seen at club level.
Soccer could really capitalize right now with parents holding their kids out of youth football, but it won't. Too much greed.
Not to mention parents paying their way into club teams just to keep up with the neighbors/friends. I see it first hand.
I wouldn't pay a couple Grand for the product, and coaching, I've seen at club level.
Soccer could really capitalize right now with parents holding their kids out of youth football, but it won't. Too much greed.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 10:08 pm to cwil177
quote:
A bama and patriots fan thinks Pulisic should have played for Croatia. One would be hard pressed to construct a better douche bag on this site.
I can.
Said douche bag is also a Man Shitteh fan.
My work here is done.
Page 4 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News