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re: How can soccer take advantage of the NBA &NFL lockouts?
Posted on 7/4/11 at 8:23 pm to Stewie Griffin
Posted on 7/4/11 at 8:23 pm to Stewie Griffin
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More scoring = more awesomeness, for sheezy.
Question to the OP, if scoring matters so much, why isn't cricket popular? I mean the scores go into the triple digits.
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Posted on 7/4/11 at 8:26 pm to Bho
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Question to the OP, if scoring matters so much, why isn't cricket popular? I mean the scores go into the triple digits.
nothing like 253 runs on 4 wickets son
that'll get your blood flowing
Posted on 7/4/11 at 8:27 pm to StTiger
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nothing like 253 runs on 4 wickets son
that'll get your blood flowing
Exactly....I think it is funny that people will argue about scoring and when you hit them with cricket or well if goals counted as 8 would you prefer it over football, you get the "soccer is gay" response.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 3:04 pm to Bho
I like all kinds of sports, and I still don't really understand cricket all that well. Only seeing one or two matches a year and trying to understand the rules with no frame of reference made me feel like my head was exploding.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 3:16 pm to CrazyTigerFan
there are two kinds of cricket so there's that too
Posted on 7/5/11 at 3:20 pm to StTiger
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there are two kinds of cricket so there's that too
Posted on 7/5/11 at 3:25 pm to boxcar willie
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How often do you see pro football games end with a score of 7-0 or 14-7 (1-0,2-1), not often. People enjoy big scoring games in football, 35-17 for example (5- 2)
That low scoring football games are generally not entertaining is further proof that American football is inferior as a sport to world football.
I'm not even flaming.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 4:13 pm to uway
And I thought this thread was gonna be an intelligent discussion on better TV contracts for the big 4 European leagues. That's the only thing this thread should be about, not changing rules and all that nonsense. It doesn't really help that hockey changed the rules and became more popular.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 4:33 pm to uway
While I don't think soccer "needs more scoring" to attract more American fans, I do think some small tweaks can be made. FIFA itself isn't above this since they implemented the "pass back to the keeper" rule and started giving three points for a win in the early 1990s.
1. Allow more subbing- This would allow more players on the rosters to get PT and create some specialists (heading, free kicks, defending the best player on the other team, etc.). It ould also make it easier to change tactics during a game and increase the intensity in the last 10-15 mins. They would also need to speed up the subbing process so that it doesn't take forever.
2. Harsh punishments for diving - Review them just like the NFL does for headshots. Since these players make less money, I think it would be a better idea to issue cards or suspensions instead of fines. They may tolerate it more in other countries, but it makes soccer look like a joke to a lot of Americans ( exhibit A).
3. Allow one timeout per team per half - They can only be used during a play stoppage. Give people a chance to get up from their seats and go to the fridge/concession stand. It would also allow the coaches to inject more tactics and substitutions.
4. Overtime in all games (maybe similar to NHL rules) - I hate ties in the MLS, in the EPL, and in all levels of international soccer. Give the teams a chance to break the tie and give the fans the excitement of extra time. I'm a big fan of "golden goals" as well.
5. Look into ways keep play open - I heard that the old NASL had some kind of rule about the number of defenders behind a line similar to hockey's "blue line". There may be others approaches out there.
1. Allow more subbing- This would allow more players on the rosters to get PT and create some specialists (heading, free kicks, defending the best player on the other team, etc.). It ould also make it easier to change tactics during a game and increase the intensity in the last 10-15 mins. They would also need to speed up the subbing process so that it doesn't take forever.
2. Harsh punishments for diving - Review them just like the NFL does for headshots. Since these players make less money, I think it would be a better idea to issue cards or suspensions instead of fines. They may tolerate it more in other countries, but it makes soccer look like a joke to a lot of Americans ( exhibit A).
3. Allow one timeout per team per half - They can only be used during a play stoppage. Give people a chance to get up from their seats and go to the fridge/concession stand. It would also allow the coaches to inject more tactics and substitutions.
4. Overtime in all games (maybe similar to NHL rules) - I hate ties in the MLS, in the EPL, and in all levels of international soccer. Give the teams a chance to break the tie and give the fans the excitement of extra time. I'm a big fan of "golden goals" as well.
5. Look into ways keep play open - I heard that the old NASL had some kind of rule about the number of defenders behind a line similar to hockey's "blue line". There may be others approaches out there.
This post was edited on 7/5/11 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 7/5/11 at 4:42 pm to NOTORlOUSD
I like 2 and 4, and 3 isn't bad either. I get the other 2 but I'm not really a fan. Hockey improved their popularity a ton through the 4th rule. I still think the key is just more exposure of the top flight leagues. Get on it ESPN!
Posted on 7/5/11 at 4:45 pm to NOTORlOUSD
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1. Allow more subbing
while only friendlies or exhibition matches do this, there are some tournaments that allow more players on the bench as options..but still only 3 subs
not sure how I feel about this idea
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2. Harsh punishments for diving
starting to happen thankfully, Davies was fined after the fact, but only 1000 (granted, a vast majority of MLS players do not make near as much as other leagues...not even close)
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3. Allow one timeout per team per half
whole heartily disagree, not here to appease peoples bladders, one of the things I like about the game is that time only stops at the half (and end)
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4. Overtime in all games
nope, draws are a part of the game, fans need to get over themselves, individual games do not decide the championship in a season and it is not necessary to have a win or lose or overtime win, this system is not broken, win draw lose, it works
Posted on 7/5/11 at 5:14 pm to StTiger
I believe Americans are attracted to things that offer tradition and history or something that gives a game/event more meaning. For instance, one day I'm over at my parent's house watching the second leg of Barca-Arsenal when my dad makes some sarcastic comment regarding the score at the time. I explained to him how the Champions League worked and how Barca was the best team in the world. Within the next 10 minutes he's sitting down watching the match with interest.
My point is that American sports fans love feeling like they are a part of something bigger than themselves. I think it would start to grow when the average sports fan understands a little bit of the history of the sport.
My point is that American sports fans love feeling like they are a part of something bigger than themselves. I think it would start to grow when the average sports fan understands a little bit of the history of the sport.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 5:24 pm to Oizers
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My point is that American sports fans love feeling like they are a part of something bigger than themselves. I think it would start to grow when the average sports fan understands a little bit of the history of the sport.
It's growing, if MLS attendance numbers are any indication. Once teams have generational support, as in a son follows the team his father did, then it will be further cemented.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 5:34 pm to crazy4lsu
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It's growing, if MLS attendance numbers are any indication. Once teams have generational support, as in a son follows the team his father did, then it will be further cemented.
I agree with this. Soccer may be the most popular youth sport in the US, almost everyone who played it as a kid is 30 or under. Once GenY/Millennials/Boomerangs have kids, the following will be much bigger IMO.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 5:57 pm to boxcar willie
This is coming from someone that is interested in soccer as a sports fan, but really only watches the WC. The way to make soccer more popular here is to "Americanize" it.
This is soccer's biggest problem in this country: everything about soccer feels foreign. The sport needs to advertise itself like the NFL and NBA. The sport needs to feel American for people to buy into it (that's just how we are). That doesn't mean you need to change rules. It just needs to be on mainstream TV. Soccer fans don't have to be exclusive and feel they're more cultured than the rest of Americans. They need to explain why it's fun to watch, not say it's better than other sports just "because it is" or because it's not "dumbed down for the average simple-minded American."
To simply put it: make soccer important on channels like ESPN (not just an after thought) and advertise it as American (not the world's most popular sport).
This is soccer's biggest problem in this country: everything about soccer feels foreign. The sport needs to advertise itself like the NFL and NBA. The sport needs to feel American for people to buy into it (that's just how we are). That doesn't mean you need to change rules. It just needs to be on mainstream TV. Soccer fans don't have to be exclusive and feel they're more cultured than the rest of Americans. They need to explain why it's fun to watch, not say it's better than other sports just "because it is" or because it's not "dumbed down for the average simple-minded American."
To simply put it: make soccer important on channels like ESPN (not just an after thought) and advertise it as American (not the world's most popular sport).
Posted on 7/5/11 at 6:03 pm to boxcar willie
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It could be a primetime sport in the USA if there was more scoring. I was talking about this with a friend of mine and he thought they should get rid of the goalie. I was trying to explain to him that that would just change the nature of the game to much, besides goal keeping is one of the most interesting parts of the game. But what if they just made the goals bigger? At least in Major League Soccer games played in the U.S. You could make them big enough that maybe a combined 10 goals are scored in an average game. Professional soccer is never going to gain traction in the US when the average game ends with a score of 2-1,2-0,or 1-0.
your friends suggestions are only slightly more stupid than yours.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 6:58 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
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This is soccer's biggest problem in this country: everything about soccer feels foreign.
When MLS tried to Americanize it, fans didn't like it.
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The sport needs to advertise itself like the NFL and NBA.
If the MLS competes with the NFL and NBA, it will lose every time, even though average attendance in the MLS exceeds the NBA. MLS needs to carve out a niche, which it has done, and grow from there.
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It just needs to be on mainstream TV.
The TV ratings still aren't good enough to get a big contract. The league isn't ready at this point. It needs to continue building grassroots support in the cities before it can draw larger TV audiences.
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Soccer fans don't have to be exclusive and feel they're more cultured than the rest of Americans.
This will cure itself in time as more people become exposed to the sport.
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They need to explain why it's fun to watch
This is a difficult task because you're dealing with how people feel about a sport. What interests me in a sport won't interest other people.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 7:02 pm to theOG
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your friends suggestions are only slightly more stupid than yours.
that's funny because I thought getting rid of the goalie was way way more stupid than widing the goal by a couple feet. I'm sure they are both way stupid to soccer purist but for the american sports fan who really only gets into soccer in a big way during the world cup, my idea isn't that bizarre. If you widened the goal by say just 2 feet and increased the goal height by 6" you would probably average at least a few more goals scored per game. Look at how many goals just miss or hit the posts.
Posted on 7/5/11 at 7:27 pm to boxcar willie
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that's funny because I thought getting rid of the goalie was way way more stupid than widing the goal by a couple feet
No doubt. But, the goals have been the same size now for like 100 years.
Boxcar, the reason I am now a full fledged soccer fan is easy. An American football game has 60 minutes of time, yet it often takes over 3.5 hours to complete. There is an average of 12-13 minutes of actual playing time. Five seconds of a run up the middle and then a minute of nothing.
I can only watch Saints or LSU games now, things I am emotionally invested in. I would rather watch an EPL match of Wolves v Wigan than any American game that doesn't involve the Saints or LSU. The game is actually boring.
This post was edited on 7/5/11 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 7/5/11 at 7:37 pm to crazy4lsu
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MLS tried to Americanize it
What did they do to Americanize it? Why didn't the fans like it?
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