re: FFP - Man City and PSG Punishment

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Do you really think that PSG and City's owners are going to leave after they've spent as much money as they have?

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We really have no idea, how these guys and their beyond crazy lavish lifestyles are. These are seen as toys to them, not a business.

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Do you really think that PSG and City's owners are going to leave after they've spent as much money as they have?

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They probably wouldn't want to. But there are always circumstances. Owner loses interest, experiences a decrease in personal fortune, dies, etc. The idea is to not leave the future of the club and its fans at the whim of a wealthy owner.

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The way we usually do thing is use academy players

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who was the last academy players that were regular starters and major stars for ManU?

scholes and giggs? they're academy guys, right? from like 20 years ago

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If Cleverly and Welbeck are the standard then yes we can say they are ridiculously average.

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ex-fricking-zactly

i want to know where this academy talent is. not 20 years ago...producing recently. your famed academy talent is coaching the team now

buying young players is NOT developing players via academy

also, fergie had a talent for buying young guys. that's a big reason why he was the GOAT. enjoy life without fergie for a few years and come back to me and talk about how amazing your team is at investing in youth players.

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ex-fricking-zactly

i want to know where this academy talent is. not 20 years ago...producing recently. your famed academy talent is coaching the team now

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Um how about Januzaj and Amos

We have also fricked up not keeping players like Pogb, Pique and Zieler

Guys like Wes Brown and John O'Shea were United regulars in recent years before they moved on.

Also one of our youth players scored twice today in his premier league debut.

Our youth set up produces talent we use or that others use. We are not perfect b/c we sell some guys of let them go on free transfers.

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also, fergie had a talent for buying young guys. that's a big reason why he was the GOAT. enjoy life without fergie for a few years and come back to me and talk about how amazing your team is at investing in youth players.

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I already said Fergie was great at doing that. If FFP is forcing teams to use their youth set up we will be just fine, seeing we are in the U-21 EPL final in its first year as a competition.

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Um how about Januzaj and Amos

We have also fricked up not keeping players like Pogb, Pique and Zieler

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so in the psat 20 years, it's produced some backup-quality guys for a title contender and 2 high-level prospects for manU?

even if we included all of these guys, you couldn't come close to fielding a squad based on your academy talent

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If FFP is forcing teams to use their youth set up

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only teams who didn't have an established revenue stream prior to FFP

this is the point that needs to be hammered home. ManU has no rival in terms of revenue generation in the EPL. under FFP, this will put them at another level compared to other big clubs, but they'll be in another universe compared to a Southhampton or Swansea. those 2 teams will NEVER be allowed to become a ManU-level team, because of these factors

1. Academies will never produce a full squad
2. These teams will never be able to reach the prestige of a "major" club, so their players won't stick around
3. These teams will never be able to increase their popularity/revenue enough to pay the players
4. These teams will never be able to increase their popularity/revenue enough to buy quality guys in the transfer market

there is no shock that the establishment started to freak out once the elite were challenged by teams like Man City, PSG, etc

Chelsea was one thing (who has now built up their brand/team to where they don't have to hit the market hard every year), but once other teams threatened to knock off an established "top 4" squad (like Man City), the "big boys" freaked out and pushed for FFP

sure, Man City could develop the best youth academy in the world. let's just assume they do. when could they fill a squad with that talent? 10 years? i mean assuming they hit on every super prospect, we're talking at least 5 years until those youth players are playing in the EPL

so what FFP is telling the non-elite teams is this: invest a frick ton in your academy. if you are perfect, you may have a chance to do something...in 5-10 years. now all of those guys will leave your squad, but you may have a cycle or 2 where you can do something major

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you couldn't come close to fielding a squad based on your academy talent

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no one can but we at least use it

whens the last time a city youth player scored???

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again, this is why FFP is a way to keep the status quo it punishes teams who try to build quickly to compete with the established elites, and protects those elites that is the point

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That's the way you view it. But FFP was supported by a majority of clubs in Europe. Not just the big clubs. And has many legitimate purposes. It wasn't some conspiracy implemented by the Illuminati to keep a few big clubs in power.

Policy statement from Platini at time FFP was implemented lays a few things out:

On announcing the new legislation, UEFA President Michel Platini said,

Fifty per cent of clubs are losing money and this is an increasing trend. We needed to stop this downward spiral. They have spent more than they have earned in the past and haven't paid their debts. We don't want to kill or hurt the clubs; on the contrary, we want to help them in the market. The teams who play in our tournaments have unanimously agreed to our principles…living within your means is the basis of accounting but it hasn't been the basis of football for years now. The owners are asking for rules because they can't implement them themselves - many of them have had it with shovelling money into clubs and the more money you put into clubs, the harder it is to sell at a profit.[1]

They did a good job selling it as something good for everyone but that doesn't change it's real purpose which is pretty obviously protectionist.

As I have said 100 times, if their stated aims were really what they cared about they could have done it without stifling competition and you have no response for that. To cap club spending at different amounts for different clubs is by definition protectionist of the established clubs and keeps the level of play unbalanced. The fact that it's biggest defender on here is a ManU supporter speaks volumes.

Banning financing of transfer fees over multiple years. If I have the money and I want to spend it on my club there is no good reason to prevent me from giving another club 30 million euros of my own money for a striker in a one shot deal. I can understand not wanting to let clubs spread that money out and add debt the club. But those are two totally different circumstances which aren't addressed different by FFP