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Posted on 4/5/17 at 10:20 pm to dgnx6
The last call was absolutely awful... And I agree I liked the Elneny and Xhaka pairing. Ozil played beautiful too. Man if we just played consistent and got one more world class player we would challenge for the league.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 10:23 pm to GeauxHouston
I'm convinced that at our best, if we added one more absolute stud of a player we'd challenge for anything.
If we had Griezmann up top, or someone like Ramos in defense, I don't think anyone would be calling for Wenger's head.
If we had Griezmann up top, or someone like Ramos in defense, I don't think anyone would be calling for Wenger's head.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 10:41 pm to RebelVol
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If we had Griezmann up top, or someone like Ramos in defense, I don't think anyone would be calling for Wenger's head.
The players still don't know how to position themselves. Our positioning has been consistently terrible since 2014.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 11:27 pm to crazy4lsu
That doesn't change the fact that if you add one or two more truly world class players we'd be very close to (if not already) winning titles.
No one would call for you to be fired for winning a title
No one would call for you to be fired for winning a title
Posted on 4/5/17 at 11:38 pm to crazy4lsu
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The players still don't know how to position themselves.
It was better today. XhakNeny was a decent pairing today.
Best match we have played since the Southhampton FA Cup match.
ETA: We really miss a guy who can dribble and push forward. Cazorla's injury and the Wilshere loan really hurt us in that respect.
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:53 am to RebelVol
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That doesn't change the fact that if you add one or two more truly world class players we'd be very close to (if not already) winning titles.
I read that idea pretty consistently before we added 120 mil in players. I think we are further away than we've been since Nasri and Fabregas left. I have a video somewhere of our midfield rotation when we switched to the 4-3-3 (in 2009) and damn, it puts these latest midfields to shame.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:58 am to GeauxHouston
It was West Ham. We say this every year. Arsenal have the squad to win. They don't possess the manager imo. You have to defend it can't always be pretty. You have to manage the squad within the current game.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 3:18 am to dgnx6
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It was West Ham. We say this every year. Arsenal have the squad to win. They don't possess the manager imo.
Amen. We are dangled this carrot of good form for a stretch every season. Nothing is going to change. This regime is stale. Arsene is in the Les Miles "OC carousel/the offense is really gonna open up" phase of his time here. I just won't allow myself to fall for it anymore.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 5:22 am to RebelVol
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That doesn't change the fact that if you add one or two more truly world class players we'd be very close to (if not already) winning titles.
We aren't United, Chelsea, or City. We can't or won't spend the kind of money your talking about. And Wenger is a big reason we don't spend. Plus you are completely ignoring the fact that Wenger's teams show the same frailties every year no matter who the players are.
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No one would call for you to be fired for winning a title
Yea that's true but it's been 13 years since we won a title. He's had his chances and hasn't taken them. I don't understand why people create excuses for Arsene. He's underachieved and is squarely the reason why we are in crisis. Plus Wenger has been very hostile and condescending to the fans. Saying that we never had it so good. As if Arsenal never won anything before he arrived. He tries to dismiss the fans that want him out as the vocal minority that doesn't really know football. He cares about himself more than the club or he would have left or actually made visible changes to the way we do things.
This post was edited on 4/6/17 at 6:54 am
Posted on 4/6/17 at 9:37 am to DB10_AFC
I generally agree but the board shares responsibility for the current predicament.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:05 am to cwil177
Definitely. The board enables Arsene. There's no one with any background in soccer on the board. They basically just let Arsene run willy nilly with no repercussions. As long as the money keeps coming in they could care less.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:30 pm to DB10_AFC
Bud I'm 100% aware that Arsenal can but won't spend money on big name players. I was just saying that IF we bought them, we'd be very close to winning titles.
Yes, Wenger has had chances and failed. 13 years is a loooonngggg time.
But at least we've actually won the premier league *cough* Liverpool & Spurs *cough*
Arsene has been one of our very best managers, and I think you're crazy if anyone argues he hasn't been. But I also know that Arsenal were still Arsenal well before Arsene came to town.
Heck, one could argue that Graham was more successful in 7 years than Wenger in 20. So it's not like Arsenal were nothing before Wenger.
Out of respect I want Arsene to stay at the club in some capacity, but I do want a new manager this summer.
Could we end up like United? Possibly. But that's a risk I'd take. I want star players that will do anything to win, and I want players that will be coached properly. With Wenger we will never have that again.
Yes, Wenger has had chances and failed. 13 years is a loooonngggg time.
But at least we've actually won the premier league *cough* Liverpool & Spurs *cough*
Arsene has been one of our very best managers, and I think you're crazy if anyone argues he hasn't been. But I also know that Arsenal were still Arsenal well before Arsene came to town.
Heck, one could argue that Graham was more successful in 7 years than Wenger in 20. So it's not like Arsenal were nothing before Wenger.
Out of respect I want Arsene to stay at the club in some capacity, but I do want a new manager this summer.
Could we end up like United? Possibly. But that's a risk I'd take. I want star players that will do anything to win, and I want players that will be coached properly. With Wenger we will never have that again.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:49 pm to DB10_AFC
Jeeze people, this is on exactly one person...the owner. The dumbest of dumbass billionaires Stan f'ing Kroenke. He should be banned from professional sports ownership because he is literally throwing games more deliberately than the Black Sox. He is a wretch of a human being with no regard for the fans of his franchises.
This post was edited on 4/6/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:01 pm to RebelVol
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I was just saying that IF we bought them, we'd be very close to winning titles.
I've literally heard the same refrain since 2006. It wasn't true then, it isn't true now. Buying players isn't going to do something until there is a systematic change. We are seeing the same system related problems, the same spacing issues, the same inability to moving passing patterns up the field that we've seen since we decided in 2011 to move to the low block.
We've had the players to win the league in 2007, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2015, and this season. Yet why don't we? All Conte did after we thrashed Chelsea early in the season was to change the system so that all the players know where they should be with and without the ball. He didn't buy any new players, nor did he do anything THAT drastic. He simply did what a manager should do when something isn't working. He changed it. It takes literal life changing events for Arsene to change.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:52 am to Sandperson
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he is literally throwing games more deliberately than the Black Sox
You give him way too much credit. He does not give enough of a shite about Arsenal to even throw games.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 2:06 pm to DB10_AFC
I find my self starting to like Stewart Robson. That's how bad the relationship is getting with Wenger and the fans.
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 4/7/17 at 2:08 pm to Sandperson
Kroenke is terrible, but the person responsible for building this team is Arsene. He has refused to acknowledge that he either needs a ball-playing destroyer or an elegant enough technical wizard in midfield, someone who can defend, isn't positionally wayward, and can pick passes between the lines. We were most defensively solid with Song and Arteta, and Song had an unbelievable final ball his last season here. Arteta and Ramsey worked because Arteta could pick first station passes while Ramsey played in the half spaces. Coquelin and Santi worked because Santi is a god damn genius and Coqeulin, freed from having to carry the ball in dangerous areas, is excellent at winning the ball high up the field. He becomes less effective the closer he gets to goal, and his technical level drops when he loses confidence.
We've misused the talents of Ramsey and Wilshere, who should have been played together in a midfield three, alongside a destroyer, as Wilshere can drive from deep, can create space and can deliver passes while Ramsey is a superb runner from deep and can be excellent when he's forced to simplify his game. Buying Ozil and not immediately dropping Mertesacker or buying a fast striker to pair with Ozil posed serious problems for us. Firstly, Mertesacker excels in the low block, as well as providing a way for us to control the tempo. His positioning is excellent, usually, except when he's forced to play high up the field and is out run by everyone. Dropping Mertesacker could have allowed us to play a high-tempo/high-block game that would have suited Ozil. If we decided to stick with the low block our first buy after Ozil should have been a fast technical striker who can run beyond the ball and elongate the field, giving Ozil time to pick passes as well as letting Ozil do what he does best, which is run into open spaces away from the side of the play. His off the ball running was wasted his first year here because the spaces were too tight or there wasn't a passer to give him the ball in the right areas. Alexis was the right buy, but if Walcott didn't get injured after we beat Man U that year, we might have won the title. The tactics were right. With Giroud we can break teams down in the possession game amazingly well, but he is too profligate to be effectively relied on.
We've misused the talents of Ramsey and Wilshere, who should have been played together in a midfield three, alongside a destroyer, as Wilshere can drive from deep, can create space and can deliver passes while Ramsey is a superb runner from deep and can be excellent when he's forced to simplify his game. Buying Ozil and not immediately dropping Mertesacker or buying a fast striker to pair with Ozil posed serious problems for us. Firstly, Mertesacker excels in the low block, as well as providing a way for us to control the tempo. His positioning is excellent, usually, except when he's forced to play high up the field and is out run by everyone. Dropping Mertesacker could have allowed us to play a high-tempo/high-block game that would have suited Ozil. If we decided to stick with the low block our first buy after Ozil should have been a fast technical striker who can run beyond the ball and elongate the field, giving Ozil time to pick passes as well as letting Ozil do what he does best, which is run into open spaces away from the side of the play. His off the ball running was wasted his first year here because the spaces were too tight or there wasn't a passer to give him the ball in the right areas. Alexis was the right buy, but if Walcott didn't get injured after we beat Man U that year, we might have won the title. The tactics were right. With Giroud we can break teams down in the possession game amazingly well, but he is too profligate to be effectively relied on.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 2:11 pm to Sandperson
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He is a wretch of a human being with no regard for the fans of his franchises.
While this is true,Chelsea added one freaking player. will run away with the league and were awful last season.
Conte saw they were getting bossed around and made a change. They can play multiple ways out of one formation now.
Liverpool can only press and won't win shite.
City don't even care about defending and will continue to leak goals after controlling the entire game.
The only other decent team is freaking Spurs.
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 4/7/17 at 2:13 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I honestly can't agree more. I guess he thought Santi would stay healthy all year? But I also don't know why he didn't think he needed the next Santi. I love him, but he's been majorly injured these last 2 seasons and is over 30. It's time to find some replacements for several major players.
He has refused to acknowledge that he either needs a ball-playing destroyer or an elegant enough technical wizard in midfield
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 2:17 pm
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