re: "You graduate from college, I think you should get automatically...a green card"

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I agree that we should keep it as a guest worker program, because jobs are going to become hard to find when the AI boom kicks in.

Just stop gap until we start laying people off.

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This is the big unknown.
If co-pilot gets much better, and complex functions continue to get offloaded to GANs and GNNs, we won't need nearly as many people in tech.

Companies will then want only elite, and preferably domestic talent.

It's a scary world...

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Not sure about this. First knee-jerk reaction is, "Are you out of your f***ing mind???" But, as I look at what he said, I see that it's a green card (work visa) that is offered, not citizenship

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you realize a green card is basically the starting point for gaining citizenship. Sure it doesn’t guarantee it, but it is rare to be granted a green card and not be granted citizenship in 3 (by marriage) to 5 years (other forms of green card attainment) to citizenship.

It’s unnecessary and purely a way to save rich corporations money on having to 1) sponsor a work-based green card for the employee and 2) justification that they are bringing an underserved skillset to fill gaps in our skilled workforce.

The reality is this has nothing to do with improving the US population. It’s purely to make life easier for businesses to pass up Americans and save money.

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OP spoke of green cards though, not citizenship.

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That is citizenship. Once you have a green card based on work for example, you apply to convert to citizenship after 5 years.

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I agree that we should keep it as a guest worker program, because jobs are going to become hard to find when the AI boom kicks in.

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AI, Automation, and Robotics is going to make the tens of millions of ‘migrants’ we have imported useless. We won’t need them anymore. Who is going to feed and house them when they have no money or purpose? It’s something people aren’t thinking about or questioning or willing to discuss.

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AI, Automation, and Robotics is going to make the tens of millions of ‘migrants’ we have imported useless.

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Yep, and pretty quickly.

I've said before if my outfit decided to, 85% of my work could easily be automated or done with AI.

I think the breakthroughs are almost here which will make most of us gig workers.

There is no feasible first world society if 8/10 people are doing meaningless gig work.

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Muh Where Did This Betrayal of MAGA Come From

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Well you really showing your arse on here lately. MAGA means Make America Great Again. We make it great by creating the best team. If that means we retain some foriegn students it not a bad thing. What we can’t have is a huge flow of illegals immigrants flooding across the border taking all the free handouts in democratic sanctuary cities.

If they have a college degree, I am ok with that US has a number. I don't like the current system.

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MAGA means Make America Great Again. We make it great by creating the best team.

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All you need to do is cut funding to many programs and they self correct.

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I would like to have more context on the issue for myself before I make a hard line decision on the issue relative to my support or lack of but if a person comes to the US on a student visa to study at our universities, a process that requires them to produce tax records, proof of funds, test scores, transcripts, 2 forms of identification, a financial form I-20, etc. and then desires upon graduation to be part of our economy and work here indefinitely, wouldn't that be exactly the type of people we want to accept through our immigration policy? Productive members of society?

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This an impressive way to rationalize Trump's stark opposition to his own policy of America First and it sounds so much like those defending the open border - they just want to come here and work hard and be part of society. Does that sound familiar?

Somewhere around 1M people participate in student / visitor visas programs. I bet there are no security issues there, right?

I'm curious if all those documents could be faked, or how rigorously they are verified, or if anyone, I don't know, slips through the cracks:
We do know that terrorists have a very strong affinity for
using a student visa process to enter the country, as earlier
this year a young man from Saudi Arabia purposely sought out a
program that would allow him to come to the United States as a
student. Then of course he has been accused of purchasing
chemicals that he intended to use to construct an IED.

Can you tell us, are any of these forms issued by the school to be attended? Why yes, yes they are. Do you think our universities are worried about national security, or people becoming contributors to our society, or do you think they just want to cram another arse into a classroom and get those tuition dollars? Yet you pass off these forms as some sort of guarantor.

What are the forms about? Let's see, they are about your ability to pay. I wonder if that presents a conflict of interest for the school. Let him in, he can pay. Well, he did scream about jihad during the interview. But he can pay, let him in. Sure, none of that will ever take place at our universities. Another portion of the process is a double secret pinky swear that the person is only here to do honorable things. Well, if only we'd made Ted Bundy take such a pledge, am I right?

All of those documents and criteria are monitored by a govt program, and that has to be airtight, I'm sure. The govt is never sloppy. That is something we have learned over time.

I wonder if such a system has been exploited in the past. Why yes, it has. An ICE investigation found that in a cohort they looked at, only 5% of the people here on student visas were in a classroom on any given day. Man, I wonder what they were doing. I'm sure it was honorable and something that was of tremendous value to our nation, after all, these foreign people have an inborn sense of loyalty to the US right?

These visas like student, travel etc, are overstayed all the time. About 25% of the 9/11 hijackers were overstays. All of these visa programs are vulnerable to fraud and overstay.

But sure, why don't we staple green cards to diplomas, and turn every school in the nation into a magnet for terrorists who will have no problems getting funding to be here, which is the major element in getting these documents. We turn these schools into diploma mills, which will also increase costs for American students. What a great idea. Oh and the Taliban has an entire enterprise, funded by our tax dollars by the way, to produce fake credentials and paperwork for its people, but sure, let's follow Trump's synaptic marathon of awful ideas and staple green cards to diplomas. How could this possibly go wrong?