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re: You Can Not have it both ways. Either Russian military is weak or they are not...
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:14 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:14 pm to Jjdoc
It’s all propaganda dude. For the US to be involved in sending troops, equipment, or soldiers, they need the support of the American people or they will get toasted in the next election. If US people think this is a losing effort, the politicians pushing this will have their support.
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Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:14 pm to LSUnation78
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Rolling up to the doorstep of russia with the entire military might of the west is a far cry from the kinds of sanctions we’ve been screwing around with for years.
But that's what he believes it to be.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:15 pm to guy4lsu
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People need to stop saying this. They will not use a nuke just like we wouldn’t. We could strike those convoy trucks and they would do nothing.
This is correct.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:19 pm to Jjdoc
Beyond nukes, I suspect that the problem is that the NATO borders are thin after decades of no real threat. It would take a serious time and effort to reinforce to a level Putin would take note of.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:20 pm to Palmetto98
quote:They're not losing, they'll be able to outlast Ukraine based on numbers but the invasion isn't going nearly as well or as easily as Russia thought it would.
if you think they are currently losing this war because Twitter posted a helicopter getting shot down then you are a fricking idiot!
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:23 pm to guy4lsu
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People need to stop saying this. They will not use a nuke just like we wouldn’t. We could strike those convoy trucks and they would do nothing. Trump would have taken out a few of those trucks and told Putin what he would do if the line was crossed. A leader leads Biden and the rest of the UN are spineless.
You willing to play that game of poker with each chip being pushed into the center being a major US city or military installation?
You can say they won’t but understand that the invasion of Ukraine itself was an act akin to that of a cornered animal. I don’t Russia is just going to take it on the chin if NATO eradicated 50-75% of their national military capacity which current resides in Ukraine.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:41 pm to Jjdoc
They have quantity. Quality is shite.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:42 pm to Jjdoc
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the Russian Military is this weak, then why is NATO dicking around? just move in and be done with it right?
Nukes.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:44 pm to Jjdoc
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It's real easy to put in a no fly zone if the Russian Military is that weak.
If by east you mean incredibly difficult then I agree.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:49 pm to Diego Ricardo
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You willing to play that game of poker with each chip being pushed into the center being a major US city or military installation? You can say they won’t but understand that the invasion of Ukraine itself was an act akin to that of a cornered animal. I don’t Russia is just going to take it on the chin if NATO
eradicated 50-75% of their national military capacity which current resides in Ukraine
A real leader leads regardless of the outcome. We spend 10 times on military than Russia and Putin does whatever he wants. As the only world superpower our President needs to grow some balls. We can’t worry about what Putin may or may not do. Our president needs to draw the line and tell Putin what is going to happen if he crosses it.
This post was edited on 3/6/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:50 pm to Jjdoc
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You Can Not have it both ways. Either Russian military is weak or they are not...
The Russian military isn’t weak. But it is vastly different than the US military which most laypersons in the US have as their only point of reference. The best way to describe the Russin military of today is to describe it in the same manner its been referred to since the 19th century, it’s a steamroller; a clunky one in fact. This means it does not advance in the offensive akin to the US Army which seeks victory through maneuver, firepower, and shock effect. Instead the Russian army seeks victory on the battlefield by overwhelming its opponent via weight of numbers and firepower. This is slower and leads to higher losses. And it’s willing to take the heavy losses this strategy entails.
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Let's just talk about that. If the Russian Military is this weak, then why is NATO dicking around? just move in and be done with it right?
It's real easy to put in a no fly zone if the Russian Military is that weak.
So why hasn't NATO and the rest just end this? Anybody got any suggestions?
Because doing this would take a war between Russia and Ukraine and turn it into World War III, making a general nuclear exchange between NATO and Russia a very real possibility.
This post was edited on 3/6/22 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 3/6/22 at 2:04 pm to guy4lsu
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A real leader leads regardless of the outcome. We spend 10 times on military than Russia and Putin does whatever he wants. As the only world superpower our President needs to grow some balls. We can’t worry about what Putin may or may not do. Our president needs to draw the line and tell Putin what is going to happen if he crosses it.
Easy talk to be had when it isn’t your responsibility. I lean towards the “don’t start a great power nuclear war” side but that’s just me.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 3:12 pm to Jjdoc
They can be tactically weak and strategically strong because of the possession of nukes.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 3:16 pm to Diego Ricardo
Russia depends on mobilized artillery platforms. Set up, fire for a day, move 40 miles and fire the next day. A US led attack would that force demolished within several days and the air under complete control.
Russia is not stealth ready…go back to the CNN tapes on the opening bombing campaign on Iraq. Watch the horizon carefully. That was the introduction of the
F-117A in combat. Flashes, bomb strikes. Quiet, then anti aircraft fire from the Iraqui’s …trouble was…the F-117A’s were already a hundred miles away.
There is no hypersonic missile technology ready. That was a Russian prototype using existing parts. No new technology involved. The US is researching new technologies. The new B-23 is not in service but is being tested at three locations.
Don’t make fun of the defense research and development in the US. Area51 and Section 4 has a lot of secrets in store for the future.
Keep in mind, the Russian tanks on the ground in the Ukraine were nothing but targets in Iraq.
Russia is not stealth ready…go back to the CNN tapes on the opening bombing campaign on Iraq. Watch the horizon carefully. That was the introduction of the
F-117A in combat. Flashes, bomb strikes. Quiet, then anti aircraft fire from the Iraqui’s …trouble was…the F-117A’s were already a hundred miles away.
There is no hypersonic missile technology ready. That was a Russian prototype using existing parts. No new technology involved. The US is researching new technologies. The new B-23 is not in service but is being tested at three locations.
Don’t make fun of the defense research and development in the US. Area51 and Section 4 has a lot of secrets in store for the future.
Keep in mind, the Russian tanks on the ground in the Ukraine were nothing but targets in Iraq.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 3:22 pm to Jjdoc
Wrong! The Russian military is weak compared to the US; they are strong compared to Ukraine.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 3:31 pm to bluedragon
Does the US have a 100% effective ICBM defense system? If not you’re talking about losing entire cities if Russia elects to go pyrrhic victory route. Completely different type of system but the Iron Dome is ~90% effective but Hamas was still putting rockets into population centers in Israel. Hamas wasn’t even using sophisticated rocketry, they were just unloading A LOT of munition and overwhelming the capacity of the Iron Dome weapon system.
Imagine 90% effective in real world ICBM defense system. That’s entire cities gone off the map because we decided to enter a war with Ukraine and Russia reacts like a cornered wild animal.
Imagine 90% effective in real world ICBM defense system. That’s entire cities gone off the map because we decided to enter a war with Ukraine and Russia reacts like a cornered wild animal.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 3:53 pm to Jjdoc
Russia is not weak.
They are moving at a pretty fast pace for the style of war THEY ARE CHOOSING TO FIGHT.
They have made mistakes. But if they wanted to level each city ww2 style they could have.
Believe the hype if you want but Russia is trying(and will succeed) to take over Ukraine with as little collateral damage and civilian casualties as possible.
They are moving at a pretty fast pace for the style of war THEY ARE CHOOSING TO FIGHT.
They have made mistakes. But if they wanted to level each city ww2 style they could have.
Believe the hype if you want but Russia is trying(and will succeed) to take over Ukraine with as little collateral damage and civilian casualties as possible.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 4:05 pm to Jjdoc
The Russians have interior equipment and training to most Western forces. They have quite a few troops tanks, and planes, and some pretty good air defenses. Within their borders, they have reasonable logistics, but they really almost exclusively in their train network for logistics. In once they get past their borders, they have trouble projecting their forces very far past infrastructure nodes. In ukraine they were expecting to conquer Kiev and install a puppet government last week. When that didn't happen they started to grind to a halt. They don't have near the truck capacity they need once they get past their train depots. That's why you see so many Russian vehicles abandoned. They can't keep everything running, and it's getting worse for them as Ukraine destroys the trucks they do have.
US has massively better capability running logistics to literally anywhere. Russia would be tough to fight in their home turf, but also fragile one you started taking out their transport infrastructure
US has massively better capability running logistics to literally anywhere. Russia would be tough to fight in their home turf, but also fragile one you started taking out their transport infrastructure
This post was edited on 3/6/22 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 3/6/22 at 4:10 pm to Jjdoc
The amount of military and geopolitical intelligence in this thread is truly staggering!!
Posted on 3/6/22 at 4:14 pm to narddogg81
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In ukraine they were expecting to conquer Kiev and install a puppet government last week.
This is incorrect and nothing more than propaganda.
Did we expect to conquer Iraq and install a puppet regime in a week? Hell no we didn't and anyone who thinks russia thought they could do that in a week is either an idiot or blinded by media.
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