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re: Yall are angry at the wrong people, re: birthright citizenship
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:40 am to Oates Mustache
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:40 am to Oates Mustache
quote:
Piggbacking off SFP's comments in another thread.
I understand and agree with people's issues with birthright citizenship, and what it encourages. I also think it needs to be closed, fully.
But this power resides with the do nothing shite pieces in Washington DC, both sides.
If they wanted this issue resolved, they'd create a constitutional amendment.
If people want change, force these idiots in Washington to do something about it.
Call your legislators, chew their ears off, daily. Make your voices heard and listened to. This SCOTUS case was never the way to get it closed.
Yep.
If people would worry more about ensuring people in Congress are doing the people's will then we wouldnt have these huge issues with the executive consolidating power or judicial craziness.
Its Congress that has caused all this. They are weak and pathetic and nobody care or has enough knowledge to figure out how to get all of them out
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I can’t, no.
You don't see how this could be an issue with things like gun control, global warming, disinformation, etc?
What would be done to us concerning those issues?
are you saying 2/3rds of Congress would vote to take our guns or to tax tf out of us to fix climate change?
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:46 am to cajunangelle
quote:
think your point is why there is more anxiety about this issue.
Deep down we know congress cant balance a budget, cant pass real in- house legislation.
Cant do anything but what their lobbyists say and gavel in on passing their COLA raises.
The anxiety is exactly because of that. But we direct our frustrations on things like this case, but there's always been a solution here. It's just the more difficult path to get there.
People in this country can enact change, it's just painful. And frankly, most people can't, or aren't willing, to endure the pain of change.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:49 am to Oates Mustache
quote:
But this power resides with the do nothing shite pieces in Washington DC, both sides.
If they wanted this issue resolved, they'd create a constitutional amendment.
If people want change, force these idiots in Washington to do something about it.
Call your legislators, chew their ears off, daily. Make your voices heard and listened to. This executive order was never the way to get it closed.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:50 am to ReauxlTide222
Then you don't have an overwhelming consensus as to your position. The Founders wanted changing the Constitution to be exceptionally hard. And if we can't have an overwhelming majority that can agree, then to use your words, we allow ourselves to creep to our own destruction.
I'm not sure that we are even coming close in this case. A greater threat would be the erosion of the rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights which I think are far more important and consequential.
I'm not sure that we are even coming close in this case. A greater threat would be the erosion of the rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights which I think are far more important and consequential.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:51 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
I can’t, no.
What would be done to us concerning those issues?
If we abandon Constitutional principals to ignore them anytime an emergency can be stated, then literally anything could be done.
You're creating an exigent situation (based around the impact of illegal immigration, primarily) and trying to argue it's such a big deal, we should be able to ignore the Constitution to address it.
That is not a path I think is smart or wise to support.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:53 am to Oates Mustache
quote:
If people want change, force these idiots in Washington to do something about it. Call your legislators, chew their ears off, daily. Make your voices heard and listened to. This SCOTUS case was never the way to get it closed.
In theory you are right but we do not live in a system where this is possible anymore. It is totally corrupted and the American people are no longer in control.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:54 am to Oates Mustache
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:56 am to Oates Mustache
quote:
I understand and agree with people's issues with birthright citizenship, and what it encourages. I also think it needs to be closed, fully.
But this power resides with the do nothing shite pieces in Washington DC, both sides.
If they wanted this issue resolved, they'd create a constitutional amendment.
If people want change, force these idiots in Washington to do something about it.
Call your legislators, chew their ears off, daily. Make your voices heard and listened to. This SCOTUS case was never the way to get it closed.
This is the correct answer.
The Constitution says what it says (in this case, unfortunately). The only way to change the law is to change what it says.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:57 am to Oates Mustache
quote:
If they wanted this issue resolved, they'd create a constitutional amendment.
We could accomplish the same with with an Article V Constitutional Convention.
Yes, I understand that we haven't pulled the trigger on one in the past, and unless it were narrowly defined in scope there is a ton of room for shenanigans.
That said, it's a defeatist attitude to assume that the "elected" officials in DC as being the sole source for Amendments to do so because they are not our only avenue for accomplishing the desired outcomes.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:59 am to Oates Mustache
No amendment needed; just interpret the existing one correctly. Birthright citizenship is not guaranteed for illegals having kids in U.S. How long has this snafu been going on unchallenged?
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:01 pm to VoxDawg
quote:
We could accomplish the same with with an Article V Constitutional Convention.
Yes, I understand that we haven't pulled the trigger on one in the past, and unless it were narrowly defined in scope there is a ton of room for shenanigans.
I'd love to see this, if for nothing else, the historical nature of it.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
I am not concerned with smart or wise at this point.
It’s long past time for people to abandon that endeavor.
We either keep letting people destroy us, or we stop them. But it won’t be through constitutional amendments.
It’s long past time for people to abandon that endeavor.
We either keep letting people destroy us, or we stop them. But it won’t be through constitutional amendments.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:07 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Call me in 50 years
I'm not sure that we are even coming close in this case.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:10 pm to Oates Mustache
quote:
This SCOTUS case was never the way to get it closed.
It was SCOTUS who invented birthright citizenship for all. The congress that passed the amendment explicitly stated it was not for foreigners.
It was the corrupt court who changed the law to reflect their own desires. Just like Roberts did with Obamacare.
Since SCOTUS fricked over the country to begin with, they need to fix their own mistakes.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:10 pm to KiwiHead
quote:bullshite
Then you don't have an overwhelming consensus as to your position.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:11 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
I am not concerned with smart or wise
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:12 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:
The congress that passed the amendment explicitly stated it was not for foreigners.
One guy did. Others did not hold the same opinions.
That's why we look at the text and not legislative intent.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:13 pm to Oates Mustache
Law in general these days are written and enforced by executive orders that survive judicial review. Congress is a joke.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Of course the people like you whose views are protected by all the bullshite don’t mind keeping the status quo
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