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re: WSJ: Trump said Stephen Miller ICE deportation's too 'far', Melania, Texas, FL complained

Posted on 11/5/26 at 8:58 am to
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/5/26 at 8:58 am to
lol ok
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
6382 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 9:05 am to
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We are utterly retarded at understanding optics.


ICE crews rolled with cameramen and published triumphant content of arrests. MAGA crowed about ASMR.

Most Americans didn’t see an existential threat being neutralized in those videos. Turns out Americans still aren’t ready to make fun of people getting pulled off job sites in chains and sent to detention centers to suffer.

Americans like people that work. Americans may also want only people here legally, but brutalizing people who showed up to work that day was always going to play very badly with the American public.
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2303 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 9:40 am to
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Can't a Democrat controlled congress release every single bit of the underacted "Epstein files" on day one?

You expecting they will?


I don't have faith the Democrats will do anything. I don't really fear them like others on here because they are a weak party with no plan and no leadership. As long as the Clintons are alive, they will sit on this. Biden never publicly promised anything with the files. That should tell you something. Its all political theatre.

Now Trump did claim he would release them and the client list and prosecute offenders. Then suddenly there was no client list. Then he actively seems to be trying to bury it and close the investigation.

As i have said - Congress already said release them, but its not like a binder on their desk that they can hand over. The files are physically stored in federal evidence lockers (mostly in NYC & Florida) in the form of physical records, digital files, and court evidence. The DOJ and FBI control these documents are are responsible for their release. The files were supposed to be released by Dec 19 2025, but the law permits withholdings to protect victims and the excuse is that it could take years to review everything. They answer to the President.

There is some legitimacy in wanting to protect the identity of victims so they shouldn't be completely unredacted. But the DOJ has been redacting names of email correspondents and entire pages and documents are missing and this is where there has been political disagreement.

If someone sent an email that says 'who was that girl last night?" they should answer to the court of public opinion. Reps like Clay Higgins aggressively disagree with me on this. He thinks we should protect the identities of people who emailed with Epstein. That is not what was ordered in the declassification and I am confused why people support his position on this.

Perhaps someone will explain it to me.
This post was edited on 11/5/26 at 9:42 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
119002 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 9:46 am to
Not far enough.

They should have been toe-tagged and left to rot in the street.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14880 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 9:46 am to
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We should have placed heavy emphasis on states who were cooperative. This could have avoided. We should have focused on employers, and applying more pressure on soft self deportation efforts. Cutting off handouts, going after NGOs, employers, etc



SFP has been screaming this for 2 years now essentially.

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The result could have been better. Instead we chose to send undermanned, and under trained random guys with masks into mobs to wrestle around with some fat Mexican chick or something like that


And then official government accounts posted hype videos about it.

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I know we are the side of facts and logics. But elections are not one on facts and logics. You have to understand the marketing and optics side of this. And we just have to always step on our dick and never learn these lessons.


This exactly, and it covers basically every issue this cycle, not just immigration enforcement.

Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14880 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 10:06 am to
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idea

Amnesty for illegals who provide enough evidence to get convictions of these employers


There's deferred action for sure, and I think they certified some U visas, for people who testified on the employers after the chicken plant raid in Mississippi in Trump's first term. I've also seen it for people who report other fraudsters to HSI.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
85364 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 10:07 am to
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Videos of ICE agents running people over in SUVs aren't media framing.



Holy missing context.

People interfering with police put themselves in that position.

I give them no quarter.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
12483 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 11:21 am to
The ICE issue perfectly encapsulates why this country is destined for failure.

People elected Trump to deport the millions of illegals the democrats let in, and then immediately started to cry about people being deported.

People want deportations, but only if no one's feelings are hurt. Not only do Republicans have to give the people what they want, but they also have to do it nice and gently in a way that the corrupt media could never spin it.

Republicans are expected to do a dirty job without ever getting their hands dirty. The democrats are never held to such a standard.

We are not a serious people. Feelings will be the end of us.

Many Republicans have abandoned their values and refused to fight for the country over the years out of fear of being called a racist. You can't fix the country when being called mean is worse than having violent illegals on the street.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
84160 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 11:27 am to
Too bad he wasn't in a position to rein them in.
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
23651 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 11:29 am to
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being called mean is worse than having violent illegals on the street.


You were snatching 1st generation Abuelas and sick old men from their houses. In front of screaming children and the 2nd & 3rd generation CITIZENS that just switched to blue and booted any hint of red from office. "Violent" illegals was not the focus. It was a sales line.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
62612 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 11:49 am to
If true, this is a prime example of why we need foreigners and four adjacent people out of important positions

Again, if true
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
14403 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 12:05 pm to
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Americans like people that work. Americans may also want only people here legally, but brutalizing people who showed up to work that day was always going to play very badly with the American public.


That’s the Stephen Miller aspect….
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
6382 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 12:08 pm to
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We should have placed heavy emphasis on states who were cooperative. This could have avoided. We should have focused on employers, and applying more pressure on soft self deportation efforts. Cutting off handouts, going after NGOs, employers, etc


Trump could have cooperated with every local jurisdiction that wanted it and sent agents to serve arrest warrants. If a town had an open arrest warrant out, the law and order president would close it.

That would have been wildly popular.

But they didn’t do that. They acted like a bunch of white supremacist goons and sent regular people to places like alligator Alcatraz, deported people to third country shitholes, and laughed and chortled about it.

They deported a 60 year old Korean guy that was shot in the back serving as a US marine in Panama because he had a dui on the early 2000s.

The cruelty was the point and Americans by and large are not a cruel or racist people.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4807 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 1:21 pm to
This post was edited on 11/5/26 at 1:22 pm
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
374 posts
Posted on 11/5/26 at 1:36 pm to
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WSJ hit piece. They’re just trying to cause further division.


Trump has repeatedly walked back on deportations, saying that ag and hospitality need their workers. He’s not as tough on illegals as most people think.

Another campaign promise broken. Appreciate the Southern Border, but i’d like to get all the illegals out, abuelas included.
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