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re: Would you be in favor of a challenge to the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:52 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:52 pm to Indefatigable
They don't even know the facts of the case. It was a small conservative group trying to make and broadcast a documentary against Hillary Clinton in 2008. The government tried to shut them up and only the SCOTUS decision made it legal.
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:08 pm to Tigerlaff
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Have you actually ever read the decision? If not, I don't really care what your opinion is. Same with Roe, Heller, etc.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:21 pm to gaetti15
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individuals have the right to free speech/free press, so why wouldn't a collection of individuals also have the right to free speech/press.
I will believe a corporation is an individual when
1. I see a corporation standing in line to get a driver's license like an individual does.
2. I see a corporation getting a medical check up like an individual does.
3. I see a corporation with a social security number like an individual has.
4. When I see a corporation taking a piss like an individual does.
5. When I see a corporation stuffing its face with food like an individual does.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:46 pm to 88Wildcat
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I will believe a corporation is an individual when
1. I see a corporation standing in line to get a driver's license like an individual does.
2. I see a corporation getting a medical check up like an individual does.
3. I see a corporation with a social security number like an individual has.
4. When I see a corporation taking a piss like an individual does.
5. When I see a corporation stuffing its face with food like an individual does.
cool, still doesn't mean what the Court decided on in its opinion wasn't Constitutional.
A collective group of individuals do not lose their protected rights just because they decided to come together as a group...explain how they lose those protections by just simply combining forces?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 4:49 pm to gaetti15
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Individual citizens are protected by first amendment, but associations of individual citizens aren't protected?
Maybe, but what if the corporation is owned by a foreign entity, or even a hostile nation? Nobody is checking citizenship. It is a potential money funnel for nations or industries with no loyalty to this country.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:43 pm to tigerpoboy
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Maybe, but what if the corporation is owned by a foreign entity, or even a hostile nation? Nobody is checking citizenship. It is a potential money funnel for nations or industries with no loyalty to this country.
decision did not overturn the ban on political donations by foreign corporations and the prohibition on any involvement by foreign nationals in decisions regarding political spending by U.S. subsidiaries, which are covered by other parts of the law.
If corps aren't being held to those other laws then blame the Federal government. Like others have said the issue lies with them...not the constitutionality of the decision
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:02 am to Indefatigable
quote:That is very well put.
Apparently, despite the first amendment protecting both the right to speech and the right to assemble, the intersection of those two rights is unconstitutional
Posted on 7/28/22 at 7:04 am to bluestem75
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Any two people can organize under the law as a corporation. Their free speech doesn’t stop just because they’ve grouped together.
No it does not but it doesn't magically conjure a third person either. Your free speech and my free speech remain unchanged post incorporation.
Granting You&I Inc newly bestowed free speech as if it were a born citizen is absurd.
USSC shite the bed on this one.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 7:28 am to the808bass
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A ruling in the opposite direction would have been a huge blow to the actual freedom of speech.
This.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 8:14 am to Masterag
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Can a corporation register to vote? No, then it’s not a person.
Under that definition no one under the age of 18 is a person. Do 16 year olds not have rights then?
In Louisiana a corporation is defined as a juridical person by the Civil Code. Not sure about the other states but I would guess that they have similar provisions. The Supreme Court has treated corporations as people for most purposes since the early 1800s.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 8:21 am to the808bass
Any ruling that creates balance with union pension money is fine by me.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 8:54 am to HubbaBubba
The issue is that people say things in groups that they would not say individually.
I think the Citizens United ruling should be overturned, and bring back duels. That would shut a lot of this crap up.
I think the Citizens United ruling should be overturned, and bring back duels. That would shut a lot of this crap up.
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