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Posted on 7/27/22 at 12:55 pm to Wednesday
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Citizens United being overruled would result in the violent doxxing of any conservative in the US
Haven’t PAC contributions been doxxed a few times now and people threatened?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:01 pm to HubbaBubba
It will take a constitutional amendment because SCOTUS conservatives love this decision.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:04 pm to tigerpoboy
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A corporation is clearly not a citizen.
The ruling thinks along the lines of a corporation being a group of people banding together for a common purpose.
Corporations, in the business sense, are still groups of people doing just that.
Any two people can organize under the law as a corporation. Their free speech doesn’t stop just because they’ve grouped together.
Political groups (any party, civil rights groups, an issue-based foundation, a think tank) also have to incorporate under the laws of their state as non-profits. They have the right to raise funds for themselves and donate that money to help their cause in any way that seems fit to them.
Before you say, “Well, non-profits are different,” there are many businesses that have chosen to organize as such (i.e., Blue Cross Blue Shield).
Marriages are another form legal incorporation. Should a married couple have their donations refused because the check is from an account titled “Mr. and Mrs. John Doe”?
It’s the correct ruling; it just opens up a door to political contributions being doled out in a way we don’t like. The opposite ruling would have been devastating for free speech rights.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:04 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Yea. Changing jobs is always the easiest thing in the world.
I mean if its that strongly of a held belief of the employee then it's almost as if he is morally obligated to find a new job
Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:14 pm to Flats
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Overturning it wouldn't help because lobbyists are a symptom, not the disease. The disease is a federal government with too much power. Nobody's ever bribed you or me because we don't have any influence over the leviathan. If the leviathan were a poodle they wouldn't bother to bribe legislators either.
^^^^^^^^
This sums it up with 100% precision and accuracy.
Well stated, Flats.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:17 pm to gaetti15
I understand what you are saying. It’s also a problem that for those that cannot move or change that they can be pressured into contributing in company fundraising drives knowing the money will be spent in ways they wouldn’t choose. But the fear of retaliation or being ostracized makes them go along against their will.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:50 pm to tigerpoboy
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Citizens United determined that corporations were suddenly citizens with first amendment protections.
Citizens can vote. Corporations can't.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:54 pm to BFIV
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Citizens can vote. Corporations can't.
Individual citizens are protected by first amendment, but associations of individual citizens aren't protected?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:57 pm to tigerpoboy
Citizens United was a gift to the global capitalists that many here claim to despise.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:13 pm to Flats
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Overturning it wouldn't help because lobbyists are a symptom, not the disease.
The solution is that any publicly elected or appointed official should no longer have any expectation of financial privacy. All their personal and business accounts should become a matter of public record.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:30 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:You want to make corporations unaccountable and unsuable? I don't.
Would you be in favor of a challenge to the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United?
quote:Link? Where did it make bribery legal? Have you actually read the decision?
That single decision opened the floodgates of bribery, and has led to the creation of enormous wealth and corruption of the political process.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:32 pm to tigerpoboy
quote:It did no such thing. It said the people that own a corporation still have first amendment rights.
Citizens United determined that corporations were suddenly citizens
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:35 pm to Mr.Perfect
quote:I heard it was easy when a COVID "vaccine" was involved.
Yea. Changing jobs is always the easiest thing in the world.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:37 pm to Taxing Authority
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said the people that own a corporation still have first amendment rights.
those people all had those rights already.
it was a way for companies to buy congress.
no more. no less.
confering participation in elections to companies is an offense to the founding fathers.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:40 pm to CelticDog
quote:Not that it's true... but... it's funny how you condemn "corporations" for being buyers but completly give a pass to Congress for being "for sale".
it was a way for companies to buy congress.
If Congress members aren't corrupt, there is no problem. If Congress wasn't in every corporations pocket, there would be no reason to "buy" them.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:47 pm to Taxing Authority
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if congress members aren't corrupt, there is no problem. If Congress wasn't in every corporations pocket, there would be no reason to "buy" them.
preach!
one part of that is campaign financing.
hence the point about citizens united 5 to 4 allowing companies buying congress.
they became allowed to pay for campaigns.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:48 pm to HubbaBubba
Didn't this monster tap that?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:50 pm to HubbaBubba
Have you actually ever read the decision? If not, I don't really care what your opinion is. Same with Roe, Heller, etc.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:50 pm to gaetti15
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Individual citizens are protected by first amendment, but associations of individual citizens aren't protected?
It’s a pretty amazing position the anti Citizens United crowd seems to hold. Apparently, despite the first amendment protecting both the right to speech and the right to assemble, the intersection of those two rights is unconstitutional
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