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Would a phase out of social security be viable?

Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:09 am
Posted by Smalls
Southern California
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:09 am
Basically enact law that stated the social security system would cease to exist for anyone born after December 31, 2019? Sure, it would take another 100 years or so to completely end, but it might be the only viable option.

Thoughts?
Posted by RIPMachoMan
Member since Jun 2011
5942 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:10 am to
Boy that would be a rough deal for anyone not grandfathered in

Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:11 am to
More viable than continuing the Ponzi...
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
13912 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:12 am to
Not realistically possible and it would just be re-instituted at some point. Fruitless sword for fiscal conservatives to die on.
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 9:15 am
Posted by tharre4
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
571 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:12 am to
Can I just take out the money I've already contributed and invest it how I see fit? I doubt SS will exist by the time I reach retirement.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98756 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:14 am to
If you haven't contributed any money into SS by working, then you shouldn't get shite from it. More wealth redistribution by the Dems.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64208 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:15 am to
Thoughts?

What ever party tried that would lose power for decades.
Posted by Smalls
Southern California
Member since Jul 2009
10245 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:16 am to
quote:

Boy that would be a rough deal for anyone not grandfathered in


I know, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98481 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:18 am to
Yes.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72504 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:19 am to
quote:

Can I just take out the money I've already contributed and invest it how I see fit?


nope. that money has already been distributed. Mfers won't let you opt out either.It is a sham system. right now we are at a huge negative return. you have put in a ton and havge not gotten a cent out yet. imagine had all those monies taxed been just thrown in an index fund? The fact idiots trusted government with this is mind boggling. Of course FDR facked us with this program.

SOCIAL SECURITY MYTH!

Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16396 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:20 am to
Of course it would work. Of course it would be good for the people. Of course it would create more economic growth.

Therefore, the government will never do it.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
24679 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:20 am to
I just turned 40. I'm only planning to rely on 401K and savings for retirement, if I even actually get to retire. I don't see, without a massive reform, how we can feasibly keep Social Security going for another 25 years whilst still claiming we're doing it "responsibly".
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26984 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:21 am to
The first person to ever draw a SS check never paid a dime into SS. It's a ponzi scheme. There is no way to phase it out without finding the money from somewhere, which would require massive tax increases or massive spending cuts.

Good luck with either.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72504 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:22 am to
"Social Security is a combination of a bad tax system with a bad way of distributing welfare." -Milton Friedman?
Posted by RIPMachoMan
Member since Jun 2011
5942 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:24 am to
quote:

I know, but you have to draw the line somewhere.


Yea I get it and it's hard to disagree.

However, the alternative of not having the support for a certain population at that point in their lives would be a nightmare to deal with for this country. What is the alternative?
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
62852 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:27 am to
quote:

I'm only planning to rely on 401K and savings for retirement,


Yep, it's completely disregarded in our retirement planning. Which is awesome since by the time I retire I will have maxed out my SS tax liability for over 30 straight years, sans an employment crisis (and my wife did it for another 15 years). And that shite keeps going up.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72504 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:30 am to
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised: 1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary, No longer Voluntary 2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program, Now 7.65% on the first $90,000 3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year, No longer tax deductible 4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and, Under Johnson the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent 5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income. Under Clinton & Gore Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away'?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51488 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:35 am to
It's not politically viable. No change to Social Security that might be used to scare seniors (which is any change) is politically viable and will continue to not be so until we have far more active voters wanting to change/fix it than we do that can be scared into keeping any changes from happening.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24833 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:36 am to
Or you could just run it effectively. Novel concept, I know.
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:44 am to
It could easily be done in 50 years or less.

You have a cutoff for anyone younger than 50 to enter the program. Anyone 50 or older will be able to opt out.

Anyone not in the program or who opt out, get all of their payments back with interest, over a period of time, say 10-20 years. All of these people are able to name beneficiaries for these funds in case they die before collecting fully.
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