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re: Women in Combat: What say you?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:35 pm to Lutcher Lad
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:35 pm to Lutcher Lad
Women in combat is a completely unnecessary distraction and complication.
It's not just about whether the individual woman can satisfy the physical training requirements (which almost no women can do anyway without accommodations), it's about the effect on the entire unit.
That said, if we insist on acting like they can do it and that it doesn't pose a completely unnecessary drag on the system, then post-haste, the law needs to be amended to require them to register for selective service draft, just like men.
It's sex-based discrimination if their status remains voluntary while men risk being drefted into service.
It's not just about whether the individual woman can satisfy the physical training requirements (which almost no women can do anyway without accommodations), it's about the effect on the entire unit.
That said, if we insist on acting like they can do it and that it doesn't pose a completely unnecessary drag on the system, then post-haste, the law needs to be amended to require them to register for selective service draft, just like men.
It's sex-based discrimination if their status remains voluntary while men risk being drefted into service.
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:41 pm to RFK
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Congratulations, you support the current military because this is what’s happening.
I challenge anyone to provide evidence where standards have been dropped or reduced in combat arms billets based on sex.
Nope.
The requirements to pass basic training are different (and obviously if they can't pass basic training, the question of being in combat is moot.) Well, not different so much as the women have to pass the same physical tests, but their standards are lower. For one concrete example, in the Navy men & women have to complete a 1.5 mile run in a certain time. The women get almost 30 more seconds to complete it than the men.
Here's an even bigger problem, though, that some have alluded to: It shouldn't even be close. So the physical requirements are too low for men, let alone women.
Men's physical capabilities (on average) are so far beyond women's that the standards should be high enough that women shouldn't even be able to get close.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:00 pm to Lutcher Lad
I say no.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:02 pm to Lutcher Lad
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I wonder how my fellow veterans feel about this? The veterans and the active military members are the ones who give the best prospective, not the fake, phony politicians.
I have done things and seen things that I truly believe are not easily done by women, if they do it at all. Women should not be allowed to choose 11B as their MOS, in any case.
As a brother Veteran I am right there with. In no way shape or form should women be in combat
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:11 pm to RFK
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The trope is standards to assess to combat arms have been reduced or altered.
Standards for Ranger school aren’t different. Standards for the SF Q course aren’t different standards for Marine infantry officer school aren’t different. This is the point I’m making.
It's been known for some time that different standards and different treatment was there for females. Get on youtube and the internet and do some searching.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:13 pm to Lutcher Lad
Maybe 10 years ago, I saw a FB post from a girl I went to HS with. She had grown up to be a Marine wife and mother with hubby retiring as a two star and her son earned his corporal stripes shortly after this post. She said:
Imagine that your dad/husband/brother, etc. is a soldier who has been wounded and is pinned down in a firefight. That's the bad news. His sergeant can spare one soldier to rescue him and carry him out. That's the good news. There's more good news too...you get to pick the soldier! Are you sending a man or a woman?
Imagine that your dad/husband/brother, etc. is a soldier who has been wounded and is pinned down in a firefight. That's the bad news. His sergeant can spare one soldier to rescue him and carry him out. That's the good news. There's more good news too...you get to pick the soldier! Are you sending a man or a woman?
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:43 pm to Lutcher Lad
Put me down for "No".
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:44 pm to Lutcher Lad
Wonder how many of the posters with hot takes in this thread avoided serving during the last 21 years of war?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 7:52 pm to Lutcher Lad
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Women in Combat: What say you?
Have any women fought in Army/Marine boots on the ground units yet?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 7:57 pm to Lutcher Lad
No, and they don't belong on ships either.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 7:58 pm to Lutcher Lad
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I have done things and seen things that I truly believe are not easily done by women, if they do it at all. Women should not be allowed to choose 11B as their MOS, in any case.
I’m an old 19K. Women have no place on a tank.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:03 pm to Lutcher Lad
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Women should not be allowed to choose 11B as their MOS, in any case.
Women are not physically suited for:
Any 11 series, 19 series, 13 series or 18 series MOS in the US Army.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:12 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’m an old 19K. Women have no place on a tank.
We set up an AA outside Samarra while working our way north after the invasion towards Mosul so that the females who were attached could be evacted for "hygene logitsics"
True story
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:48 pm to Rza32
quote:NO, because it isn't just THEIR bodies being put at risk.
Their bodies, their choice.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:53 pm to Lutcher Lad
As a former squid, hell no. I recall a time when we had to move missiles from a ship that was decommissioning, all of the females had some sort of medical issue to not participate.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:54 pm to Lutcher Lad
Ok, but they have to make the sandwiches.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:05 pm to Lutcher Lad
quote:As a former Navy Corpsman, tasked with tending to, and dragging wounded Marines off a battlefield, I would want all of my platoon members to be up for the task if/when I was wounded. The fact of the matter is this, there are few women capable of carrying a moderate size man. That is only one of my many concerns with women in combat. There are others, but there is no need to throw gas on a fire.
Women in Combat: What say you?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:18 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:Holy shite! THIS! One of the biggest fears underway, is fire. That's why Navy boot camp includes fire control. Imagine having a fire on a ship, you put on the fire gear and tasked with carrying an unconscious shipmate, SLUNG OVER YOUR SHOULDER, up a ladder to safety. How many women have you ever known that is anywhere near capable of this task. Send a woman down for this task, and you'll end up sending two more men to rescue the guy and the woman you sent!
No, and they don't belong on ships either.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:34 pm to RFK
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Standards for Ranger school aren’t different.
You moron
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