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re: Women in Combat Arms: The Master Thread
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:09 pm to MrCarton
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:09 pm to MrCarton
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He shot himself in the head in his CHU.
frick, that's depressing.
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all of this could have been avoided.
Why do you hate their right to serve?
This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 10:11 pm
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:09 pm to MrCarton
Here is a woman in combat arms:
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I am not smart enough to alter bro. I am as transparent as the day is long. GT can tell you, what you see is what you get. Going to meet TBird here in SA in the next couple of weeks. We are working our schedules.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:16 pm to MrCarton
quote:Damn.
He shot himself in the head in his CHU.
Have a similar story from SFOR 9. Fortunately it did not turn into any bloodshed. Medical units have "interesting" dynamics to say the least.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:16 pm to MrCarton
Can women serve in combat roles?
Yes.
Can enough do it effectively to justify wholesale changes to the forces in order to accomodate the idea?
Absolutely not
Yes.
Can enough do it effectively to justify wholesale changes to the forces in order to accomodate the idea?
Absolutely not
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:20 pm to Wolfhound45
I wish someone would come in here and try to debate the other side.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:23 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
The individuals who debate the other side have never served.
There is no debating them.
There is no debating them.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:24 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
My youngest is finishing his 1371 school in 3 weeks. The women can't pass the physical requirements.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:27 pm to OTIS2
quote:Good for him
My youngest is finishing his 1371 school in 3 weeks.
quote:Good for them
The women can't pass the physical requirements.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:31 pm to MrCarton
Da fuq?
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:32 pm to Wolfhound45
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The individuals who debate the other side have never served. There is no debating them.
And those people revel in their ignorance.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:40 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Re-reading the submarine thread.
It's amazeballs.
It's amazeballs.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:30 pm to MrCarton
Let's start by laying out the most prominent arguments in FAVOR of females in the Infantry and other Combat Arms. That way the Committee will have more focus on the Center of Gravity.
1) Other countries do it with no problem. Example: Israel.
2) All military personnel should have an equal and fair chance for promotion to the highest pay grades. The Combat Arms branches traditionally offer the best opportunities for high pay grade promotion. As such, female military personnel should be allowed into the Combat Arms.
3) The military should reflect our society. We have females in the highest positions of power in the civilian world, so, the military should be the same way.
4) Many military academy grads who made General Officer would like their children to be able to follow in their footsteps. If the General has a daughter instead of a son, his child won't have an equal chance to follow in Dad's footsteps.
That's all I can think of right now.
1) Other countries do it with no problem. Example: Israel.
2) All military personnel should have an equal and fair chance for promotion to the highest pay grades. The Combat Arms branches traditionally offer the best opportunities for high pay grade promotion. As such, female military personnel should be allowed into the Combat Arms.
3) The military should reflect our society. We have females in the highest positions of power in the civilian world, so, the military should be the same way.
4) Many military academy grads who made General Officer would like their children to be able to follow in their footsteps. If the General has a daughter instead of a son, his child won't have an equal chance to follow in Dad's footsteps.
That's all I can think of right now.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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On one of my earlier deployments, our battalion commander got caught tapping a Corporal. She wasn't even hot, she was just there. This was in an intel unit surrounded by other POGs. Not sure why anyone would think it would be better in infantry units or smaller teams.
Dude, I could give you about two weeks' worth of stories that would just baffle 99% of civilian population. I had an EOD tech hitting on one of my machine gunners as they were walking up to a loaded and timed (with about 10 minutes left) homemade rocket angled right the hell at our COP. Quite literally asking if he wanted to frick her when they got back.
This topic makes me so angry I can barely think. It's basically the only political topic that does that.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:40 pm to Champagne
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1) Other countries do it with no problem. Example: Israel.
I know you're being contrarian, but I will start because I fricking love arguing:
Israel has one mixed sex infantry battalion that is glorified border police on the Sinai border. They were, notably, not sent to fight in 2006 in Lebanon or in 2014 in Gaza. They have seen all of exactly two incidents of "combat" where Sinai border insurgents attacked them with suicide bombs.
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2) All military personnel should have an equal and fair chance for promotion to the highest pay grades. The Combat Arms branches traditionally offer the best opportunities for high pay grade promotion. As such, female military personnel should be allowed into the Combat Arms.
Yea, frick that. The military should be designed to win wars, not Harvard social review awards.
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3) The military should reflect our society. We have females in the highest positions of power in the civilian world, so, the military should be the same way.
See #2.
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4) Many military academy grads who made General Officer would like their children to be able to follow in their footsteps. If the General has a daughter instead of a son, his child won't have an equal chance to follow in Dad's footsteps.
I actually suspect that most academy grads agree with us, but for the few who don't, frick them. Their personal interest does not over-ride the national defense interest.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Why do you hate their right to serve?
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:43 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Well did he frick her?
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:50 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Well did he frick her?
I'm actually not sure.
The EOD team was out of a different FOB than our HQ (which we weren't going to rotate back to until later on in the week), so maybe not.
Then again, this kid was a stud. He hooked up with some Tennessee National Guard 2LT later on in our tour (he was an active duty infantry PFC), and I just couldn't even be jealous: he deserved all the accolades. I heard about that one right when I was about to hand over command of my platoon, but it amused the hell out me.
I suspect he never got the opportunity after that because of our OPTEMPO, but who the hell really knows. She was also...not an ideal physical specimen to be in relations with, if you catch my drift.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:51 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Yea, frick that. The military should be designed to win wars, not Harvard social review awards.
That counter argument is probably not strong enough to shut down the opposition. The military's mission is to fight and win the nation's wars. The current SecDef will tell you that this can be done with females in combat arms. He'd also remind you that the military's highest pay grades must never forget that the military must have a constructive relationship with both civilian society and civilian government. They write papers about this stuff at the War College.
SO, the first step is to get civilian society on board with the idea of taking females back out of combat arms. I doubt that your average civilian politician will be in favor of it unless his voters tell him to be in favor of it. Also, MOST Generals won't be in favor of it unless the politicians are in favor of it first. Generals are like that, as you know -- most are real weenies when it comes to this issue.
IMHO, it's best to shoot for rolling back Obama's changes. POTUS Trump would go for that. I doubt he'd go for more than that. I doubt that POTUS Trump would want to kick females out of the Field Artillery and stop them from flying combat aircraft.
Other committee members feel free to jump in.
Does anyone know a General Officer that is NOT a weenie?
This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:56 pm to Champagne
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Does anyone know a General Officer that is NOT a weenie?
General Mulholland isn't
Well he might be, but i wouldn't ever mention the possibility to his face.
ANGRY TIRADES!!! LOL
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Army Lt. Gen. John Mulholland was apoplectic. Seated at the head of a table in a staff meeting, the veteran Special Operations general was furious that a briefing for him at U.S. Special Operations Command did not follow the directions that he and the top officer in the command, Adm. William McRaven, had provided. In a profanity-laced tirade, Mulhulland told the staff members they had "all failed me" as a commander, and they should all go "shoot themselves right now," according to later accounts of the meeting. He promised that if they tried to brief their work to McRaven he would do everything he could to mess it up. Mulholland, SOCOM's deputy commander at the time, added that he knew he was being unprofessional, but they had angered him greatly, according to a retelling by one witness in the room on April 30, 2014. The general added that if they briefed their plans to McRaven, he would commit Seppuku, an honorable way for a Samurai warrior to commit suicide through disembowelment in ancient Japan.
Sounds like we need more of this in Tampa
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