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Women are getting screwed over the #metoo movement, especially on Wall Street

Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:03 pm
Wall Street #metoo strategy: Avoid women at all costs

No one should be surprised by this. When the standard is BELIEVE ALL WOMEN then no man is safe. So, on Wall Street and other types of business and industry, they are keeping women at an arms length (or more).

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No more dinners with female colleagues. Don’t sit next to them on flights. Book hotel rooms on different floors. Avoid one-on-one meetings.

In fact, as a wealth adviser put it, just hiring a woman these days is “an unknown risk.” What if she took something he said the wrong way?

Across Wall Street, men are adopting controversial strategies for the #MeToo era and, in the process, making life even harder for women.

Call it the Pence Effect, after U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, who has said he avoids dining alone with any woman other than his wife. In finance, the overarching impact can be, in essence, gender segregation.



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“Women are grasping for ideas on how to deal with it, because it is affecting our careers,” said Karen Elinski, president of the Financial Women’s Association and a senior vice president at Wells Fargo & Co. “It’s a real loss.”

There’s a danger, too, for companies that fail to squash the isolating backlash and don’t take steps to have top managers be open about the issue and make it safe for everyone to discuss it, said Stephen Zweig, an employment attorney with FordHarrison.


And of course my favorite part.

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“If men avoid working or traveling with women alone, or stop mentoring women for fear of being accused of sexual harassment,” he said, “those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint.


LOL.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40254 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:06 pm to
Posted by Bob Sacamano
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
5277 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:07 pm to
Read this today, and can confirm at least in the commodities trading world, this is happening.
Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:09 pm to
Reap what you sow, ladies
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3183 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:11 pm to
Can confirm as well.

Also, can confirm this also occured in the miltary about years ago
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:19 pm to
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“those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint.”
Not as long as #metoo is a guilty until innocent precept. #metoo is a walking, talking sex discrimination complaint.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
13950 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:43 pm to
As ex IBer (with this general sentiment shared by my female IB friends), the monstrous insecure sexists already don't mentor women, they don't want to sit with women, and they sure as hell don't want to to have a substantive dinner discussion with women. The sexists or jerks have no desire to actually connect with female co-workers - they just want to sit and admire office eye candy with the bros or cop a drunk feel at a social event.

Developments like men avoiding mentorship of women aren't driven by insecure men shutting women out due to their hate. These statistics are disastrous to women because they represent the good guys (or at least non-monsters) seeing #BelieveWomen and reasonably concluding it's just not worth the risk - particularly in perhaps the planet's most reputation-critical industry.

If 3rd/4th wave feminism had an actual purpose ingrained within equality or advancing the actual best interests of women they'd recognize this, but the man hatred is just far too blinding.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 7:58 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 5:50 pm to
No, we can legislate our way out of this!

Just make it a law that a man has to eat alone with a female colleague. If he gets falsely accused of sexual misconduct, it's just the price to pay for equality!
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 6:06 pm to
If you combine this with some of the other surveys going around

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about one in 20 women “always” perceive asking a colleague for lunch as harassment,


This is the type of statistic that makes "mentoring" opportunities almost impossible.
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
6081 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 7:14 pm to
Are they hiring less women also?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53413 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 7:17 pm to
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Call it the Pence Effect, after U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, who has said he avoids dining alone with any woman other than his wife.


Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89551 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 7:18 pm to
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Women are getting screwed


Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30036 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 7:19 pm to
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“Women are grasping for ideas on how to deal with it, because it is affecting our careers,”


well they got exactly what they wanted, to be feared by men and have unfettered power over them, now they realize men just decided its better to not have women around rather then to be under constant threat from them 24/7

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There’s a danger, too, for companies that fail to squash the isolating backlash and don’t take steps to have top managers be open about the issue and make it safe for everyone to discuss it,


dont think so female empowerment nazi's, you and you alone must reap what you have sewn, you cant have it both ways.

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“If men avoid working or traveling with women alone, or stop mentoring women for fear of being accused of sexual harassment,” he said, “those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint.”


they (women) cheered as they created this toxic and hostile work environment for women and now they want you cry about it when men simply refuse to go along with being subjected to the constant immanent threats caused by it

This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 7:23 pm
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5525 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 7:36 pm to
The broad stroke definition of sexual assault has painted men into a corner.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 7:37 pm to
Mike Pence ftw
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28922 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:02 pm to
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Mike Pence ftw


Said it once and I’ll say it for the millionth time.. who’s got 4 thumbs and will never be #metoo’d?

Mike Pence and I. I wouldn’t take the risk 10 years ago and I won’t now.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:07 pm to
Bingo. If #MeToo is the way the game is played, I'm staying on the sidelines. Away from the cheerleaders
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19259 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:13 pm to
It’s not just the woman you’re alone with that’s the problem.

It’s anyone else that wants to create rumors, and false allegations.

I will not be alone with female coworkers, at work, or outside of work.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 8:15 pm
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28922 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:15 pm to
Yep. I have been to lunch alone with one woman in my professional career and she was a 60 year old woman in Bishop, Texas and we went to Dairy Queen (fine dining in Bishop.) That honestly is the only scenario I’ve ever felt comfortable with.
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
10332 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:20 pm to
Everyone, and I mean everyone knew where this was going to happen. When you can end a man's career and destroy his reputation with just an accusation men will run away. Women who didn't see what was going to happen were way too short sighted.
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