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re: Woke NYT writer sent kid to troubled schools as a sacrifice, it did not go as planned
Posted on 9/22/26 at 10:11 pm to Jake88
Posted on 9/22/26 at 10:11 pm to Jake88
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A minor, unless you want to become a teacher or go to law school.
No, a major.
Why do you think you can tell every single person on the planet what they should and should not study in college?
That's pretty insanely arrogant.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 10:31 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Maybe, but Im tired of supporting people's poor choices through taxation.
That's pretty insanely arrogant
Posted on 9/22/26 at 10:34 pm to Jake88
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Maybe, but Im tired of supporting people's poor choices through taxation.
Are you talking about welfare?
About 17% of welfare recipients have college degrees (but that includes associates degrees...I couldn't find numbers for just bachelor's degrees).
Around 75% of welfare recipients don't have degrees.
So according to the stats, someone is much less likely to be on welfare getting a history or english degree than they are trying to get an engineering degree and flunking out.
This post was edited on 9/22/26 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 9/23/26 at 3:18 am to 4cubbies
quote:Kind of a long meandering article. You are obviously more familiar with the Cypress story than am I.
LINK lmk if this is paywalled and I’ll share a pdf.
I did search for facts outside the New Yorker piece though, such as Cypress classroom models actually employed (vs intended), student population, budgeting, shortfalls etc. Suffice it to say there is substantial variance in the info out there in all those areas. E.g., sources claim anything from 105 to 188 enrollment in K-4. 150 seems a reasonable number to run with ( cited by Henderson Lewis).
At those levels of enrollment, as Bob Berk alluded, there are significant issues with fixed (non-teacher) costs and economies of scale. A school with enrollment of 105 has a principal, and a school with enrollment of 1005 has a principal. But in terms of total budget, the latter is a much lower proportional cost. The same would hold for cafeteria, custodial, utilities, building/maintenance, etc. In any enterprise, inefficiency is a killer. It sounds like 300-400 students is the sweetspot in economic terms.
So the question is why the slow enrollment growth. Catchment area? Community awareness? Quality of education? It appears Cypress Academy ranked in the bottom 50% of Louisiana schools for overall test scores (math proficiency - bottom 50%, and reading proficiency - bottom 50%).
The percentage of students achieving proficiency in math was 55-59% (Louisiana average - 64%). The percentage of students achieving proficiency in reading/language arts was 65-69% (which was lower than the Louisiana state average of 70%). So quality of education might be part of the answer, except area schools were actually significantly underperforming those Cypress numbers.
Regardless, the issue comes down to budgeting. Their fed/sate/local provision per student was ~$11.9K (plus tiered special ed money for >30 SES's). Cypress registered a ~$320K deficit in its last year, and projected a $600K the next. $600K is in the neighborhood of a 30% deficit and is clearly unsustainable.
The solution would have been a merger, altered business model, or some sort of shared resources arrangement. Berk et all couldn't pull that off so they closed the school to much public angst. When Berk announced the closure, it was at the end of application deadline for school change, and the district's most desirable public schools were already full. The intention was to roll the students into Lafayette Academy (now also closed), but eventually those who did not choose to go elsewhere ended up at Foundation Prep (both of which were academically inferior to Cypress from a test results standpoint). So my gestalt is that parental angst/panic and dissatisfaction with residual options, as much as anything, drove the story.
From a business model perspective, success in this instance would be based on performance (Cypress was marginal) and a rapid build-up to 300-500 students (Cypress failed), maximizing efficiencies while seeking lower overhead options such as outsourced food service vs in-house, facility rental vs purchase, philanthropic start-up donations, etc.
This post was edited on 9/23/26 at 5:22 am
Posted on 9/23/26 at 7:29 am to 4cubbies
quote:Friedman was using the terminology "liberal education" in its traditional academic sense, rooted in the classical liberal arts.
Friedman claims a liberal education is more advantageous to a citizenry than vocational training.
Since this is a political board, we should be clear about the meaning of "liberal education." As opposed to a specific job preparation, "liberal education" focuses on broad knowledge, free expression, civil debate, and exposure to philosophy, history, and the humanities as a foundational basis for critical thinking. Friedman argued the latter was imperative in a high functioning democracy.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 7:36 am to NC_Tigah
quote:true, it’s not really investigative as much as commentary about how school choice can still reading in “good schools” closing even with happy customers.
Kind of a long meandering article.
quote:It was open for 3 or 4 years. Official data from the LDOE confirm those enrollment numbers.
E.g., sources claim anything from 105 to 188 enrollment in K-4.
quote:here, charter schools seem to prefer to open with a founding kindergarten class adding an additional grade level every year until a full student body is established. Cypress intended to follow that model but couldn’t enroll enough kindergarten students so it opened with founding K and 1st grade classes.
So the question is why the slow enrollment growth. Catchment area? Community awareness? Quality of education?
quote:I’m not sure about this. It only had an SPS score for one year because new schools are given grace the first two years they are opened, meaning the state doesn’t publish their SPS scores during those years. The only score it ever earned was a C. I don’t have the data in front of me, but I’ll verify that in a couple of hours and compare their scores against other NO and LA schools. My recollection is that it outperformed its district.
It appears Cypress Academy ranked in the bottom 50% of Louisiana schools for overall test scores (math proficiency - bottom 50%, and reading proficiency - bottom 50%).
quote:These recommendations don’t address the philosophical question at the heart of the issue: students and families were happy with the school. The school outperformed the average NO charter school on the state test despite having an abnormally high sped population, which costs more to educate.
From a business model perspective, success in this instance would be based on performance (Cypress was marginal) and a rapid build-up to 300-500 students (Cypress failed), maximizing efficiencies while seeking lower overhead options such as outsourced food service vs in-house, facility rental vs purchase, philanthropic start-up donations, etc.
Cypress’s educational model and its business model aren’t necessarily the same thing. If a school produces comparatively good outcomes for an unusually expensive student population but cannot produce those outcomes within an administratively determined per-pupil reimbursement, has the market demonstrated that the educational model is inefficient, or only that it is financially unsustainable at the price government has assigned to it?
Posted on 9/23/26 at 7:38 am to NC_Tigah
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Since this is a political board, we should be clear about the meaning of "liberal education." As opposed to a specific job preparation, "liberal education" focuses on broad knowledge, free expression, civil debate, and exposure to philosophy, history, and the humanities as a foundational basis for critical thinking. Friedman argued the latter was imperative in a high functioning democracy.
Right. And when I refer to neoliberalism, I’m referring to the economic philosophy, not whatever this board calls neoliberalism.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 8:17 am to 4cubbies
quote:I meant to link those for you.
It appears Cypress Academy ranked in the bottom 50% of Louisiana schools for overall test scores (math proficiency - bottom 50%, and reading proficiency - bottom 50%).
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I’m not sure about this
Cypress
Foundation Prep
Lafayette
Posted on 9/23/26 at 8:21 am to Rip Torner
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Are you seriously trying to argue that public school education is superior to private school education? I mean that’s impressive even for you lol
Probably not true as a general rule, but definitely can be accurate in specific circumstances.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 8:25 am to Speckhunter2012
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Hate it for the kid, but I have to give Mom credit for walking the walk.
99% of other Progs virtue signal about this while their kids are in the best schools.
frick that. A real parent never sacrifices their children for the collective. You protect and put them in the best position possible.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 8:36 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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“We believed strongly that if families like ours went into schools like this one, it would challenge other families with similar values to do the same.
The overinflated sense of self is
Posted on 9/23/26 at 8:46 am to 4cubbies
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I never felt like I was sacrificing sending my kids to these schools. I honestly feel like I got very lucky.
Women tend to always say "I feel" whereas men tend to say "I believe" or "I know" X. That right there if you look at it closely enough speaks volumes about where we are right now in the country.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 8:49 am to 4cubbies
quote:Indeed.
students and families were happy with the school
But as I pointed out, whether they were happy-happy, or just satisfied, when the closure was announced, they were locked out of all but lower end choices.
Given that comparator, Cypress became Ben Franklin or St. Paul's in their eyes. To prevent its closure, it was going to get presented as the second coming of the Phillips Exeter Academy.
The choice (or lack thereof) of replacement schools, which they were handed, stunk. So they raised hell, as anyone would.
quote:They received extra comp for SES's.
an unusually expensive student population
Ordinary elementary student $7,495
SPED Tier 1 + $1,499
SPED Tier 2 + $8,807
SPED Tier 3 + $14,053
SPED Tier 4 + $16,302
SPED Tier 5 + $22,485
So for a SES T5 fed/state/local remuneration would run ~$30K
quote:Well, we know 100-150 students is never going to maximize efficiency. I think they are trying to push Foundation Prep toward the 300 student level, albeit with apparently lesser academic performance.
has the market demonstrated that the educational model is inefficient, or only that it is financially unsustainable at the price government has assigned to it?
Surprisingly, LA public school funding ranks kind of middling among the 50 states (25th-30th). But until recently, academic results badly lagged the bucks paying for it.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 9:07 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Exactly.
Probably not true as a general rule, but definitely can be accurate in specific circumstances.
Cubs seemed to imply it was rule rather than exception.
But as you say, there certainly are instances where public schools out perform privates. E.g., In the North Atlanta burbs, people who can afford it will send their kids to Private/Parochial because the public HS is so competitive (avg SAT1270 IIRC). UGA, GT and others limit the number of acceptances from schools. So it's often easier to get to those colleges via the Private/Parochial route.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 10:01 am to NC_Tigah
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Cubs seemed to imply it was rule rather than exception.
A stranger's kids thriving in their private grammar school in Virginia or Texas or Colorado or even Baton Rouge had no bearing on my decision to enroll my kids in public grammar schools in New Orleans.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 10:46 am to 4cubbies
quote:Ok. I misread it as more expressive of a generality. Also didn't know you were referencing the same district where you'd gone to school and taught.
I spoke about my experience with the schools in this district, which is what informed my decisions about enrolling my children in schools in this district.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 11:32 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Which is antithetical to many of the arguments promoting school choice and neoliberal education policies. This is also a very good example of community exclusion from the decisions that directly impact them and their children and the community response to organize immediately and demand inclusion in this decision, although they ultimately did not achieve their desired outcome. In the typical school choice/charter school model, parental choice functions as a demand signal but parents don't necessarily have corresponding authority or influence over provider exit.
But as I pointed out, whether they were happy-happy, or just satisfied, when the closure was announced, they were locked out of all but lower end choices.
quote:Yes. The model in NOLA mandates that when a failing school closes, the students enrolled in that failing school get priority in the One App (common application for public schools). But because Cypress wasn't actually a failing school, the students didn't trigger enrollment priority. They got cheated on multiple levels. After pushback, the Superintendent ultimately relented and gave students exiting Cypress One App priority.
The choice (or lack thereof) of replacement schools, which they were handed, stunk. So they raised hell, as anyone would.
quote:Yes, the reimbursement rates were tiered, but the price was still administratively determined. BESE established differentiated funding according to student needs, rather than Cypress determining the price necessary to provide its particular service model and families deciding whether that service was worth the price. So Cypress was operating with one part of a market mechanism, consumer choice, while another central market mechanism, price, remained publicly determined. That's the tragic disconnect that, imo, renders our way of making "school choice" work in this quasi-socialist economic funding mechanism. The charter school model depends on market-driven efficiency without the benefits of market-driven funding.
They received extra comp for SES's.
quote:When they closed, I believe they only had K-4 grades. Had they continued with their goal of adding a grade every year, presumably Cypress would eventually had doubled their enrollment by having grades K-8.
Well, we know 100-150 students is never going to maximize efficiency.
Posted on 9/23/26 at 11:40 am to omegaman66
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Women tend to always say "I feel" whereas men tend to say "I believe" or "I know" X. That right there if you look at it closely enough speaks volumes about where we are right now in the country.
I do feel lucky to have my office, the baby's daycare and the big kids school within 2.5 miles of my house. I'm sorry that I ruined the country by feeling grateful for a short commute.
I honestly know I got very lucky****
This post was edited on 9/23/26 at 11:42 am
Posted on 9/23/26 at 11:44 am to 4cubbies
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I do feel lucky to have my office, the baby's daycare and the big kids school within 2.5 miles of my house.
When my parents wanted their kids to go to school close to where they lived they were called "racist".

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