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With today’s tech, can’t we just cut right through
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:25 pm
the Panama Canal? Like do away with the locks, cut straight through to make it much faster, and widen the canal. This would allow us to get goods way faster and circumvent those stupid Californians. Somebody tell me why this wouldn’t work? I mean, there are countries in the island-building business. Seems like we could cut a darn good ditch at least…
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:36 pm to SG_Geaux
Move west coast shipping hubs away from areas they can’t offload bc of political crap from and to places like New Orleans, Galveston, Corpus, Mobile, Bay St Louis, etc….
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:38 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
Go to Google Maps, ask for Panama Canal, then hit the "Terrain" option to the right of the satellite icon in lower left.
Setting aside environmental considerations (critters are doubtless hitching rides on the hulls of the ships), there are massive mountains pretty much everywhere. Those mountains aren't stable and you take many tons off, and some faults may start sliding.
Locals may not want to be displaced, mountains in national parks are not going to be deforested without environmentalists' blessings. Illegal aliens would even look fondly back on the days when the Darien Pass was the problem with their trek from Colombia.
Setting aside environmental considerations (critters are doubtless hitching rides on the hulls of the ships), there are massive mountains pretty much everywhere. Those mountains aren't stable and you take many tons off, and some faults may start sliding.
Locals may not want to be displaced, mountains in national parks are not going to be deforested without environmentalists' blessings. Illegal aliens would even look fondly back on the days when the Darien Pass was the problem with their trek from Colombia.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:38 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
Don't know what your point is. But we don't build anything fast today. The feasibility studies would take 3 years. Then the environmental lawsuits add another 5 years. Then the labor strikes.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:39 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
I hope this is not the kind of logic you apply to all of your opinions.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:40 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
A new improved Panama Canal has been built, you may see it on Google maps. But it will not help. Those containers on those ships are mostly carried buy 2 railroads (Union Pacific and BNSF) from California to Chicago , and on to NYC. They have contracts. To move them to be offloaded, say in New Orleans, would break the contracts baw.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:41 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
There are plenty of options:
A Panamax port is a deepwater port that can accommodate a fully laden Panamax ship.
Pacific Ocean[edit]
Port of Seattle
Port of Tacoma
Port Madison — sometimes called Port Madison Bay, a deepwater bay located on Puget Sound.
Port Angeles
Port of Grays Harbor
Port of Longview
Port of Kalama
Port of Vancouver USA
Port of Portland — three post-Panamax terminals.
Port of Coos Bay — Oregon's second busiest seaport
Port of Humboldt Bay — (aka Port of Eureka) the only deepwater port in California north of San Francisco Bay
Port of Richmond
Port of Stockton — California's farthest-inland deepwater port.
Port of Oakland — channel is fifty feet deep and eight hundred feet wide.
Port of Redwood City — resulting from dredging the mouth of Redwood Creek
Port of Hueneme — only deepwater port between Los Angeles and San Francisco, and the only military deepwater port between San Diego Bay and Puget Sound
Port of Los Angeles — busiest port in the United States.
Port of Long Beach — one of the busiest container ports in the world.
Port of San Diego — home to the bulk of the United States Navy Pacific Carrier Fleet. Only the first nine miles (14 km) of the bay are accessible to Panamax vessels.
A Panamax port is a deepwater port that can accommodate a fully laden Panamax ship.
Pacific Ocean[edit]
Port of Seattle
Port of Tacoma
Port Madison — sometimes called Port Madison Bay, a deepwater bay located on Puget Sound.
Port Angeles
Port of Grays Harbor
Port of Longview
Port of Kalama
Port of Vancouver USA
Port of Portland — three post-Panamax terminals.
Port of Coos Bay — Oregon's second busiest seaport
Port of Humboldt Bay — (aka Port of Eureka) the only deepwater port in California north of San Francisco Bay
Port of Richmond
Port of Stockton — California's farthest-inland deepwater port.
Port of Oakland — channel is fifty feet deep and eight hundred feet wide.
Port of Redwood City — resulting from dredging the mouth of Redwood Creek
Port of Hueneme — only deepwater port between Los Angeles and San Francisco, and the only military deepwater port between San Diego Bay and Puget Sound
Port of Los Angeles — busiest port in the United States.
Port of Long Beach — one of the busiest container ports in the world.
Port of San Diego — home to the bulk of the United States Navy Pacific Carrier Fleet. Only the first nine miles (14 km) of the bay are accessible to Panamax vessels.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:21 pm to blackinthesaddle
the length of time i had to sit at a railroad crossing the other day tells me that someone, somewhere is off loading these containers....
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:22 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
You're missing the point. The Panama Canal is a bottleneck, not a passageway.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:49 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
quote:
With today’s tech, can’t we just cut right through by sumtimeitbeslikedat
the Panama Canal? Like do away with the locks, cut straight through to make it much faster, and widen the canal. This would allow us to get goods way faster and circumvent those stupid Californians.
Biden, is that you?
Posted on 11/29/21 at 3:06 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
quote:
the Panama Canal? Like do away with the locks, cut straight through to make it much faster, and widen the canal. This would allow us to get goods way faster and circumvent those stupid Californians. Somebody tell me why this wouldn’t work? I mean, there are countries in the island-building business. Seems like we could cut a darn good ditch at least…
21 miles of the 51 miles that make up the waterway that is called the Panama canal is not actually a canal. The locks take ship traffic up to the level of "Lake Gatum" were they transit 21 miles of the lake, and then enter locks to go back down to sea level on the other side. Cutting straight through would require draining this huge lake. Besides the short distance between the the two oceans the Panama canal was built where it is because the lake could be utilized to bridge the two points reducing construction time and cost.
This post was edited on 11/29/21 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 11/29/21 at 3:22 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
quote:
With today’s tech, can’t we just cut right through by sumtimeitbeslikedat
the Panama Canal? Like do away with the locks, cut straight through to make it much faster, and widen the canal. This would allow us to get goods way faster and circumvent those stupid Californians. Somebody tell me why this wouldn’t work? I mean, there are countries in the island-building business. Seems like we could cut a darn good ditch at least…
Jesus Christ. It's like Biden and Trump came up with this plan together and then had George w explain it to us.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 3:46 pm to oklahogjr
Relax, Bro. It’s just something I’ve wondered about since this whole pileup has happened on the left coast. If it’s not feasible, it’s not feasible… I’m just wondering why it isn’t.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:04 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
Waiting time WITHOUT a reservation is about 5 or 6 days.
The issue is where they are coming from...China. To take a container ship down to Panama then back up to the states through the Gulf to NO and THEN put it on haulers and then trains would be a considerable cost and much longer. They will get the mess on the west coast straightened out.
It is amazing our build back better 4 trillion budget has nothing to upgrade the cranes at the cali ports, lest it offend the unions.
The issue is where they are coming from...China. To take a container ship down to Panama then back up to the states through the Gulf to NO and THEN put it on haulers and then trains would be a considerable cost and much longer. They will get the mess on the west coast straightened out.
It is amazing our build back better 4 trillion budget has nothing to upgrade the cranes at the cali ports, lest it offend the unions.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:07 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
It come down to stupid Calif voters voting in the riff raff that is the direct cause of inefficient transportation of goods. Solve that and there is no need to spend billions of fixing canals, longer shipping routes or larger ports.
This post was edited on 11/29/21 at 4:09 pm
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