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re: With 20 days to 2 months, Greenland will be ours!! It is 1.25 times bigger than Alaska!!

Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:42 pm to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44313 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:42 pm to
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First, Europe’s alignment with U.S. security interests predates Trump by decades. NATO basing, intelligence sharing, nuclear deterrence, Balkan interventions, Afghanistan, post-9/11 counterterror cooperation, and coordinated sanctions all existed long before Trump showed up. This is not a recent, coerced phenomenon. I can give you a specific list of examples during the Obama and Biden admins, as well, if you would like.


All irrelevant atm.

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Saying “they only sided with us to avoid disaster” is not evidence of betrayal. It’s evidence that U.S. alignment remains the least bad option.


It is their ONLY option (forced now). Again, pre-Trump, the pivot to China was in motion. Things have changed (temporarily) due to pressure from the U.S.

I would suggest that pressure has not been viewed as an opportunity for self reflection (“Holy shite…we were almost infiltrated by China!”), but rather as a hindrance.

You trust Europe due to historical ties. I say that those ties don’t mean shite to European leadership.


Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38343 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:52 pm to
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All irrelevant atm.
You assert a “pre-Trump" pivot to China and now you've declared the entire evidentiary domain “irrelevant” because it contradicts the conclusion you've already decided on. Come on, bro.
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You trust Europe due to historical ties. I say that those ties don’t mean shite to European leadership.
Only one of us has provided concrete examples for our claim. I've provided multiple and I'm willing to provide a dozen more.

Still waiting on your first one.
Posted by jammajin
Member since Jul 2024
1990 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:58 pm to
Beaux just wants some more of that good good Biden/harris/tampontimmy leadership
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44313 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:05 pm to
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You assert a “pre-Trump" pivot to China and now you've declared the entire evidentiary domain “irrelevant” because it contradicts the conclusion you've already decided on.


I mean, they were all about China pre-Trump. How is that remotely debatable. He forced them to decide where their “loyalty” is (for now).

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Only one of us has provided concrete examples for our claim. I've provided multiple and I'm willing to provide a dozen more.


Historical ones - irrelevant at this moment.

Otherwise, you have simply noted that they have chosen the only legitimate option available to them. If the USSC declares tariffs to be outside of Trump’s ability to implement, then I predict that Europe will mess us over.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15060 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:13 pm to
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Why do we want Greenland? We already have a base there and full military use.
Minerals.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35676 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:17 pm to
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bet they’d take that deal



Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15060 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:17 pm to
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Offer them US citizenship and to be an autonomous territory like Puerto Rico.
Offer a straight up trade for Puerto Rico!
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38343 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:21 pm to
You’ve asserted a pre-Trump pivot to China, refused to provide a single concrete security decision that demonstrates it, and then declared decades of counter-examples “irrelevant” because they contradict your conclusion. I've also offered several times to provide many, more recent, pre-Trump examples that took place during the Obama and Biden admins as well.

Once you ruled out evidence, by definition, your claim became unfalsifiable and there's nothing to debate. At this point we’re no longer arguing about geopolitics or alliances. We’re arguing about your personal distrust. I agree. You distrust them.

I’m happy to reengage if you can point to a specific instance where the EU sided with China against U.S. security interests. If not, there’s nothing left to debate here, and I’m not interested in shadow boxing.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44313 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 6:49 am to
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At this point we’re no longer arguing about geopolitics or alliances.


Alliances no. The future of those “alliances” and the geopolitics that underpin them…yes.

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You distrust them.


Correct.

As noted, we agree to disagree.

Let’s see how things shake out after the pending USSC decision hits. You seem to be stating that Europe will still keep those same agreements in place. I say that Europe will leverage that decision against us.

Time will tell.

Have a good day.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23831 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 6:55 am to
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no we won't


Do you know how to read a map?
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
20023 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 9:22 am to
Denmark does control Greenland as part of the Kingdom of Denmark. They manage their defense and foreign affairs. Greenland handles most of their domestic issues. Greenland has kind of a pseudo independence through a referendum.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 9:27 am to
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Denmark does control Greenland as part of the Kingdom of Denmark. They manage their defense and foreign affairs. Greenland handles most of their domestic issues. Greenland has kind of a pseudo independence through a referendum.
Greenland, but not Iceland.

He edited his post after I showed his error.
This post was edited on 1/7/26 at 9:29 am
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59473 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 11:09 am to
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i deal in reality

define “woman.”
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59473 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 11:10 am to
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the elites


Who are these “elites?”
Posted by AncientTiger
Mississippi- Louisiana - Destin
Member since Sep 2016
2104 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 11:13 am to
Grok’s .02$

As of January 2026, the Trump administration is discussing options for Greenland, including a potential Compact of Free Association as one pathway—providing US defense/security guarantees, funding, and military access in exchange for strategic control—primarily if Greenland gains independence from Denmark. This is floated alongside purchase or other means, driven by Arctic security priorities against Russia/China, but no agreement exists yet.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72105 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 11:19 am to
Yall talk to me about the hunting opportunities in greenland. What they got and what's it taste like and how many can I shoot?
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93402 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 11:23 am to
we dont need a corrupt monarchy in denmark or those 40,000 malnourished greenlanders deciding whether or not China can set up shop there.

Its that simple.

Greenland - What is China doing there and WHY?
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
8456 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 11:27 am to
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93402 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 11:30 am to
amazing people who dont bother to look at the history think denmark is just some super nice country of peace-loving bicycle riders who only want greenland to be happy.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15298 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 11:45 am to
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DownshiftAndFloorIt
Yall talk to me about the hunting opportunities in greenland. What they got and what's it taste like and how many can I shoot?


Musk ox are tasty.

Everything else thats tasty like whale and seal would probably be only huntable/fish able by natives per several US laws

They are mainly a fishing community.

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