re: Witches and demons are real... here is one

I didn't say that, but yes, I'm sure all the books have been edited in one way or another.

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I didn't say that, but yes, I'm sure all the books have been edited in one way or another.

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Correcting punctuation or spelling can be a form of editing, but it doesn’t mean any truths were altered.

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Correcting punctuation or spelling can be a form of editing,

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Yes, it can.

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it doesn’t mean any truths were altered.

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Oh, I'm sure quite a few "truths" were altered at one time or another.

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Correcting punctuation or spelling can be a form of editing, but it doesn’t mean any truths were altered.

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Not only that, but the Bible is one of the most vetted and reliable ancient texts we have. By far, actually, with very few texts that can come close.

I'm sure stuff was changed (though not nearly as much as most texts of that age). I'm also sure that if it is possible for God to inspire the original writings in the first place, it's also just as possible for God to inspire the edits.

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the Bible is one of the most vetted and reliable ancient texts we have.

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What does this even mean?

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I'm sure stuff was changed (though not nearly as much as most texts of that age). I'm also sure that if it is possible for God to inspire the original writings in the first place, it's also just as possible for God to inspire the edits.

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That's quite a stretch.

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Abortion is certainly a political subject. And I believe very strongly that spiritual forces are behind abortions. It’s hard to discuss abortion without including the moral perspective.

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in none of those passages is it ever recorded that a priest offered up a human to the Lord.

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The second temple priests/scribes re-wrote their scriptures and their history, and they opposed child sacrifice, so they wrote about it in such a way to demonize it. They also repeated it a bunch of times that Israelites needed to stop sacrificing their children. Logic dictates since their leaders were telling them to stop killing their kids, that they were killing their kids.

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2Ahaz was twenty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem. And he did not do what was right in the eyes of the LORD his God, as his father David had done, 3but he walked in the way of the kings of Israel. He even burned his son as an offering, according to the despicable practices of the nations whom the LORD drove out before the people of Israel.

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So you’re right. You won’t find a priest sacrificing a child in the Bible. You’ll find however Yahweh commanding it a bunch of times, Judges like Jepthah sacrificing children, and David, Ahaz, Manasseh, and other kings sacrificing children. All of Judah was sacrificing their firstborn in 2 Kings 17:17. Despite it not being practiced by second temple priests, child sacrifice was a rampant practice pre-exile according to the Bible.

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Do you think if Yahweh demanded human sacrifices that it wouldn’t be mentioned at least once in the Old or New Testament?

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A perfect example of willful ignorance or trolling. All of Israel and Judah is sacrificing their firstborn children as prescribed in exodus which you ignore, and Ezekiel writing that Yahweh admitted that he demanded firstborn sacrifices as punishment, and Yahweh accepted the sacrifice of Saul’s sons and Jepthah’s daughter, and you ignore it all. And you have “god” himself sacrificing his “only son”.

I don’t think you have the courage or the character to answer this question. I hope you prove me wrong.

Did you read about how Babylonian Jews’ literature includes Isaac really being sacrificed? In light of post exilic second temple Jewish writings like Jeremiah and Ezekiel condemning child sacrifice, do you think it is more likely that a post exilic scribe edited Genesis to remove the sacrifice, or do you think it is more likely that the Babylonian Jewish scribes and rabbis invented the part of Isaac really being sacrificed?


If we only had a copy of Genesis from Elephantine, Egypt from the Jews that fled there in the 700’s BCE and stayed there until about 400 BCE, we’d have proof. Do you know anything about this sect that worshipped Yahweh and his wife Anat? We have records of them corresponding with the second temple in Jerusalem in about 411 BCE asking for funding for the rebuilding of their temple in Elephantine. They had no knowledge of Deuteronomic law - that there can be only one temple (in Jerusalem only). The elephantine Jews had never heard of Moses, or Joshua, and didn’t have any copies of the Torah. That’s because the Torah was written and compiled way after the elephantine Jews fled to Egypt… the Torah was written in the second temple period post-exile.

So who is right and who is a liar? Did tbe post exilic through Middle Ages Babylonian Jews and rabbis make up the actual sacrifice and ashes of Isaac for 2000 years? Or was that the original, and the later scribes in Jerusalem edited Genesis to substitute the ram for Isaac?

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You will NEVER get a Biblical Literalist to admit that scriveners have been revising the substance of the Biblical stories for more than 3,000 years.

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Not just that, but they can make a claim, and instead of showing them their folly based on science or actual history, you show them in their own book where it contradicts their belief. Their brain crashes to a blue screen of death due to a logical error.

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returned from the Exile with a VASTLY altered religion

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They did not teach us in catechism that Cyrus the Great, the Babylonian King and emperor of Persia, funded the rebuilding of the temple in Jersusalem. You’d think that in order for the Jews to secure that funding that there would be a few strings attached.

It’s funny that most of the Old Testament demonizes the gods of the other lands. Yahweh is going to judge and smite the hell out of the Egyptian gods, Baal Zebul, Baal Hadad, Marduk, Chemosh, Milcom, etc. However, it is completely silent on the subject of the LORD’s anointed messiah (Isaiah 45:1) Cyrus the Great and his god Ahura Mazda.

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Judeans who had remained behind in the Levant

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It’s strange. Catechism taught that “the Jews” were exiled to Babylon. I just assumed by “the Jews” they meant all the Jews. Wait a minute, just the elite, royalty, educated, and scribes were brought to Babylon and the rest stayed there to work the land??? Holy crap my brain exploded.

That’s how we ended up with Moses and with Abraham. Both the returning exiles and the “people of the land” had fictive histories that legitimized their claim to the land. Slavery in Egypt and Moses and the exodus was invented but it paralleled the exiles’ own experience as slaves in Babylon and leaving there with their freedom to claim the promise land.

I just wanted to make a joke about tying the bitch up and throwing her in a lake like the puritans if she escapes she’s a witch if she doesn’t oops our bad. But with hanktonius and squirrel dominating this thread it’s like listening to two assholes at a party that love to hear themselves talk and just as I do when faced with this in real life I’m gonna walk away and let you two verbally jerk off.