re: Witches and demons are real... here is one

Lol, aren't you the idiot that was quoting the NIV claiming the Lord supports abortion?

Why don't you try studying the Bible instead of looking for partial quotes...

You ignored most of my points but thank you for answering my last two questions.

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Sons of God can be translated as angels like the phrase is used in Genesis 6:2

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Says who? The ancient Hebrews had a name for messenger - “Malach”. Like the name “Malachi” means “my angel”. The word used in Genesis 6:2 is “bene” which is “sons”.

Hundreds of years later, the newly monotheistic Jews speaking Greek weren’t comfortable with many sons of god, so they changes a bunch of “sons of god” into “angels of god” in the Septuagint.

Regardless, if you consider those divine beings who came down from heaven to have sex with the mortal women, as being created by God, would they not be his “sons”?

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That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

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Sounds a little rapey. Sounds like the choice was all on the end of the sons of God, and not so much on the fair maidens. I wonder how much consent they really did give, if any.

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Isaac was considered the first born to God

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I disagree. I think god considered Ishmael to be a legitimate son, as was the ancient custom. Could you share a biblical passage that supports your claim that God considered Isaac to be the firstborn?

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As far as Abraham offering up Isaac, God would have never allowed him to do it, and didn’t.

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That is because you are reading an edited and redacted story. The original likely was that Isaac was killed and reduced to ashes.

Ashes of brother Isaac

Gen 22:

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15And the angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven 16and said, “By myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies, 18and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.” 19So Abraham returned to his young men, and they arose and went together to Beersheba. And Abraham lived at Beersheba.

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If you read that passage, it reads as if Abraham did sacrifice Isaac. Then when he returns to Beersheba, there’s no mention of Isaac returning with him. In the preceding paragraph, YHWH is the one who stops Abraham… but it was Elohim throughout the story and it was Elohim who commanded the sacrifice. Funny there is no other Elohim-based stories with Isaac in it past that point. The one random YHWH was an obvious edit, because post-exilic scribes didn’t like the child sacrifice. Jews who stayed in Babylon never got the memo of the ram substitution and continued to believe Isaac was actually sacrificed.

"Never suffer a witch to live" ~Exodus 22:18

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Your beliefs won’t let you comprehend what I’m about to type, but here goes anyway. The Bible was written by multiple scribes.

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In my experience, there is usually an inverse relationship between (a) the extent to which a person declares his "belief" in the Bible and (b) his understanding of the HISTORY of the Bible.

This is not a political thread. This threat belongs on the OT.

Any and all topics concerning Religion do not belong on the Political Talk.

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You will confess one day, hopefully not before it is too late...

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Or else Jesus, who was supposed to “return” 1900++ years ago according to Paul and the gospel writers who thought they would still be alive when Jesus “returns”, will kill me by squishing my blood out in his giant wine press. I’ll be honest with you - I’m not afraid of your fantasies.

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If you read that passage, it reads as if Abraham did sacrifice Isaac. Then when he returns to Beersheba, there’s no mention of Isaac returning with him. In the preceding paragraph, YHWH is the one who stops Abraham…

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Read the passage


Genesis 22:10
Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son.
11 But the angel of the LORD called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
12 He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.

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The part you bolded is precisely the part I was referring to. Imagine, just imagine how it would read with that sentence removed…

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We can imagine anything if we want to go down that road.
The Bible says to cast down vain imaginations. That’s good advice.

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Did you read about how Babylonian Jews’ literature includes Isaac really being sacrificed? In light of post exilic second temple Jewish writings like Jeremiah and Ezekiel condemning child sacrifice, do you think it is more likely that a post exilic scribe edited Genesis to remove the sacrifice, or do you think it is more likely that the Babylonian Jewish scribes and rabbis invented the part of Isaac really being sacrificed?

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The Old Testament is replete of examples of priest offering all types of sacrifices to Yahweh. Sheep, goats, doves, calves, grain offerings, drink offerings, etc.
in none of those passages is it ever recorded that a priest offered up a human to the Lord. Do you think if Yahweh demanded human sacrifices that it wouldn’t be mentioned at least once in the Old or New Testament?
How about focusing on what’s actually written and stop trying to imagine what’s not.

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Do you think of Yahweh demanded human sacrifices that it would be mentioned at least once in the Old or New Testament?

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That's what the discussion has been about for the past few posts. It was mentioned, but later edited.