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re: Will Texas Children’s Hospital kill this child as retribution for Paxton blocking them?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:20 am to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:20 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Of course. You have to find an accepting physician at an accepting hospital.
To be sure I'm following you, had they taking their baby to the (theoretical) rejecting hospital to begin with, that hospital's emergency room would've closed the door in their face? I was not aware a hospital could do that.
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Let me tell you something about TCH…there is no higher level of pediatric ICU care in the nation, yet alone region.
My children are adults and I don't think we ever did business with TCH personally. So no first-hand experience. What soured many with TCH was what transpired a few years back with the whole gender mutilation practices at TCH and Dr. Haim (the whistleblower).
Since you're familiar with TCH, you would know if they cleaned house afterwards. If not, that's a problem. Should the parents expect them to run tests with fidelity?
Moreover, the whole medical enterprise is first and foremost a business, There used to be an implicit trust in doctors. But no longer is a patient's well-being THE concern. It's driven by insurance, pharmaceuticals, business models, and on. Many of the nurses are liberal whack jobs. It's largely a poop-play.
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 8:31 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Do you understand what “brain death” means?
I do. And it’s a pretty good chance I’ve managed more donor patients from the ICU to the OR than you have.
Again, what’s the rush? I believe (not sure, but I believe) Texas law allows 25 days before official brain death testing.
I’ve seen a fair number of post arrest patients that it would be easy to assume brain death, because they have fixed pupils, negative dolls eyes, no respiratory drive if unhooked from the vent, and no response to noxious stimuli or cold caloric testing make a recovery.
And there are multiple examples of patients somehow ruled acceptable for organ donation who then wake up, including one guy in Kentucky who started thrashing around during his pre-donation heart cath evaluation (which was ignored by MD’s) and was found to be awake after he’d been rolled into the OR to have his organs removed.
So drop the attitude.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:27 am to AlwysATgr
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To be sure I'm following you, had they taking their baby to the (theoretical) rejecting hospital to begin with, that hospital's emergency room would've closed the door in their face?
You are not following me at all. Totally different set of rules and laws apply to emergency care versus transfers of patients already receiving care.
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My children are adults and I don't think we ever did business with TCH personally. So no first-hand experience. What soured many with TCH was what transpired a few years back with the whole gender mutilation practices at TCH and Dr. Haim (the whistleblower).
Yes, I’m well aware how politicized stories are designed to trigger and affect the masses.
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Since you're familiar with TCH, you would know if they cleaned house afterwards. If not, that's a problem. Should the parents expect them to run tests with fidelity?
This is my point. You guys can’t stay on topic. What does “clean house” mean? What do ICU docs and neurologists have to do with totally different and unrelated groups of docs that did totally different and unrelated treatments? Do you know how big TCH is? You want them to fire every doctor?
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Moreover, the whole medical enterprise is first and foremost a business, There used to be an implicit trust in doctors. But no longer is a patient's well-being THE concern.
Sure, whatever you say.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:34 am to riverdiver
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I’ve seen a fair number of post arrest patients that it would be easy to assume brain death, because they have fixed pupils, negative dolls eyes, no respiratory drive if unhooked from the vent, and no response to noxious stimuli or cold caloric testing make a recovery.
Was testing administered and were they diagnosed as brain dead? And did the subsequently make a recovery? If not, your anecdotes are wholly irrelevant to this discussion. Try to stay on topic.
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And there are multiple examples of patients somehow ruled acceptable for organ donation who then wake up, including one guy in Kentucky who started thrashing around during his pre-donation heart cath evaluation (which was ignored by MD’s) and was found to be awake after he’d been rolled into the OR to have his organs removed.
Your entire argument is based on anecdotes that are not comparable to this situation. What role do you play in taking care of these ICU patients? One would hope you’d be driven more by evidence than by anecdotes.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:48 am to NC_Tigah
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Nor will they snatch this poor baby's organs without parental consent.
This. TCH thought they were gonna get consent from parents who thought they killed their kid?? Makes no sense. Neither does the finders keepers notion of organ donation. It’s a bit more complicated than the child dying in o e hospital so they keep all of the organs.
And TCH killing a kid to get back at a politician?? The hospital has already far exceeded the amount of shite they are willing to eat. Sadly that kid is probably being better cared for than most in the hospital. Imagine having your name anywhere on their chart. You just know you are going to court. Take on set of vital signs? BOOM deposition!
Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:15 am to LSU alum wannabe
The parents are just trying to distract everyone from them being shitty parents who let their child drown. Why are we not talking about criminal charges against them?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:13 pm to riverdiver
quote:In terms of bedside examination, it actually isn't. The requisite exam is noninvasive, as you presumably know. It likely has already been completed X2 IAW TX law. My understanding is the refusal is for 3D SPECT imaging.
Well, that’s their right at this time.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 4:28 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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You are not following me at all.
Thanks for the clarification.
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I’m well aware how politicized stories are designed to trigger and affect the masses.
So why did TCH issue a statement saying one thing while continuing (illegally) to do something else? Who "designed" that?
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This is my point. You guys can’t stay on topic. What does “clean house” mean? What do ICU docs and neurologists have to do with totally different and unrelated groups of docs that did totally different and unrelated treatments? Do you know how big TCH is? You want them to fire every doctor?
IDK who "you guys" are. I post for AlwysATgr and no one else. Ostensibly, a hospital would want its (prospective) patients to trust it. Is that not the case? Assuming it is, what was done to Dr. Haim erodes that trust. That's why it's relevant here.
Is it really needed to explain "clean house" in this context?
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 6/7/26 at 4:39 pm to Ailsa
I just heard Logan say the hospital backed off when the parents revoked her organ donation.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 5:55 pm to cajunangelle
The liberal death cult is really pissed in this thread, lol. There are a few on here that act like they want to drive to Texas and pull the plug themselves .
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:37 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:The point Ommg is making is that there is zero crossover between transgender surgery, and the departments involved in this baby's care. "Clean house" implies an interrelationship. You also seem to question the TCH's role with Eithan Haim. What is the issue there?
Is that not the case? Assuming it is, what was done to Dr. Haim erodes that trust. That's why it's relevant here.
Is it really needed to explain "clean house" in this context?
quote:You'll need to expound on that. What are you under the impression TCH did illegally?
So why did TCH issue a statement saying one thing while continuing (illegally) to do something else? Who "designed" that?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:40 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Which hospital has publicly (or privately for that matter) stated they are willing to accept this patient?
There are TWO other Texas hospitals in the area standing by ready to take this child.
This is what the article states.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:45 pm to cajunangelle
quote:Just keep in mind, these are one-way conversations. The hospital and caregivers are very limited in what they can say. The family is not. That does not mean Logan's report is necessarily incorrect or misleading. But it may mean Logan is forming an opinion based on skewed claims.
I just heard Logan say the hospital backed off when the parents revoked her organ donation.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 7:11 pm to CDawson
quote:Indeed.
There are TWO other Texas hospitals in the area standing by ready to take this child.
This is what the article states.
The "article" makes several dubious claims, dubious in that they simply do not make sense.
E.g., There are TWO other Texas hospitals ready to take the child. Fine. Which hospitals are they? I ask because the layout of the claim is curious. That does not mean it is fallacious. But it is odd that either of those willing facilities would desire anonymity, much less both. Why are they not shouting to High Heaven, "We will accept this infant!"??
Posted on 6/7/26 at 7:53 pm to NC_Tigah
Memorial Hermann and Ben Taub probably.
TCH damned near has a monopoly on pedi here in Houston.
TCH damned near has a monopoly on pedi here in Houston.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 7:56 pm to Ailsa
No. This shouldn't be a political issue at all. It's on the parents to decide how much misery they want their kid to go through on machines. They're very tough on the body.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 8:26 pm to LSU alum wannabe
quote:FWIW, that does not happen accidentally in an environment like Houston.
TCH damned near has a monopoly on pedi here in Houston.
quote:Probably? Perhaps? Maybe? Nonetheless, why would BT, Hermann, Methodist or non-TXmedcenter facilities not come forward and announce their facility is one of the Two?
Memorial Hermann and Ben Taub probably.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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FWIW, that does not happen accidentally in an environment like Houston.
Indeed it does not. No money to be made on babies. It’s finally only worth it for only TCH to bother.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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Probably? Perhaps? Maybe? Nonetheless, why would BT, Hermann, Methodist or non-TXmedcenter facilities not come forward and announce their facility is one of the Two?
Only 2 can handle a kid that sick. Really I’m sure it is just Hermann the other might be an extended care place like a specialized LTAC.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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The point Ommg is making is that there is zero crossover between transgender surgery, and the departments involved in this baby's care. "Clean house" implies an interrelationship. You also seem to question the TCH's role with Eithan Haim. What is the issue there?
Fair enough.
The point AlwysATgr is making is that TCH issued a statement in early '22 that it would no longer perform transgender medical procedures on children. Yet, they did. They were all in on the transgender craze.
It would be odd if its "leadership" had no knowledge of the statement. TCH is a relatively small business (a little over 10K employees). It would be dysfunction on steroids if their doctors were still performing transgender procedures without their knowledge. Did they know or not?
Yes, "clean house" implies interrelationships. You're thinking horizontal relationships; I'm thinking vertical.
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What are you under the impression TCH did illegally?
Child abuse was/is illegal in Texas. Transgender surgery is child abuse. Since you have contacts with TCH, why don't you ask them why they decided to stop before the law was signed by Abbott?
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 10:58 pm
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