re: Will MAGA turn their back on the 2nd amendment?

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You don't think actual citizens have been harassed by ICE

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Are there names to these poor, innocent individuals?

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go back to those same losing arguments just because another dumbass took your bait.

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I didn't "take the bait". I said I think it would be a very small percentage of MAGA that would support restricting certain out groups from owning fire arms. ...... but the opinions in the thread I referenced speak for themselves.

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That's not the purpose of the local police department

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Actually, it is.

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What are the differences between, say Louisiana and Florida and what ICE is doing there vs places like say Minnesota and California?

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There is less resistance to Federal authority in Florida and Louisiana. There is less desire on the part of the current administration to sow discord in those areas as they are solidly voting Republican in most districts. Minnesota and California are targets for a variety of reasons politically, so there is a motive for more public displays of authority. They are also border States, so I suspect there may be some international considerations as well given the current administrations disputes with Canada and Mexico.

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Taking the example above, what governments would you say are doing it wrong?

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Doing governance wrong? I don't think there is a wrong way or a right way, simply what's effective and what is not. All four of those States have their own considerations regarding Federal authority and the exercise of their State authority.
In regards to immigration enforcement? I think Florida and Louisiana have large percentages of their populations that are more directly economically impacted by competition from illegal laborers than California or Minnesota, so one would expect more support for enforcement in those areas, which would lead to less resistance to Federal action in regards to enforcement.

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Actually, it is.

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Then why does ICE even exist?

Clearly ICE exists because it's a specialty and necessary enforcement division of the federal government. Local police exist for a completely different reason.

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If one of these Marxist revolutionaries opens fire on ICE, I want to see every one of them put down like a rabid dog.

That answer your question?

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So you want human rights violations

Great

The overweight virgin has brought up a good point. He wonders why local entities would spend resources on a federal operation/job. Fair enough. We should explore paying municipalities/states per head deported. Kinda like the hospitals got paid for covid.

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Why would you have the stomach for harassment of citizens?

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I believe it’s an existential threat to have, keep, and possibly increase the number of illegals in the country.

I don’t think we can continue on like this and I want it to stop.

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And I'm not referring to agitators

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Thank goodness.

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I'm referring to people minding their own business and not causing problems.

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How much are these people being harassed?

Was Good minding her own business? Again, not attempting a gotcha or looking to hash out the validity of her shooting. Simply asking if you would consider her a person minding her own business so I can figure out the type of person you’re referring to. I’d have stepped out the way if I was that officer.

I think harassing citizens in an operation this large is bound to happen. I don’t want it to happen. I want it to be monitored and addressed if/when it happens. And I don’t want it happening to hinder the operation as a whole.

An armed society is a polite society.

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There is less resistance to Federal authority in Florida and Louisiana

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What you meant to say was that the local and state LEOs follow federal law and do not release illegals, who have committed crimes back out onto the streets so that ICE can easily round them up from detention.

You are 100% correct on that.

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There is less desire on the part of the current administration to sow discord in those areas as they are solidly voting Republican in most districts. Minnesota and California are targets for a variety of reasons politically, so there is a motive for more public displays of authority

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Where is your proof of this or is this just conjecture. Seems to me, the federal government followed the steps, as prescribed. It was local and state governments that did not. Local and state actually incited action against ICE. Their base is in these urban areas. Sowing discord does local and state much more good than it does the federal. Is why we do not see these issues except for a few urban areas within these states and nowhere else.

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They are also border States, so I suspect there may be some international considerations as well given the current administrations disputes with Canada and Mexico

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Texas is as well as Montana and North Dakota and Arizona. Argument is non sequitur.

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Doing governance wrong? I don't think there is a wrong way or a right way, simply what's effective and what is not. All four of those States have their own considerations regarding Federal authority and the exercise of their State authority.

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As far as immigration, states have no authority. They have the responsibilty to uphold federal law. Something neither Minn nor CA do. Would make everything much more efficient if they did. I mean ICE has been around, in those areas since its creation in the mid-2000's. Never before did state and local governments mind. Nothing on the federal level has changed. Nothing at all.

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In regards to immigration enforcement? I think Florida and Louisiana have large percentages of their populations that are more directly economically impacted by competition from illegal laborers than California or Minnesota, so one would expect more support for enforcement in those areas, which would lead to less resistance to Federal action in regards to enforcement.

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Conjecture, but it affects us all equally.

Edit to add: most of the pushback to federal attempts is mis-information soread by local and state governmentd as well as media.
Item 1 - due process. ICE has warrants for the arrest of these individuals. That implies due process. The majority of these have committed crimes, been found guilty and have had immigration status revoked or have deportion order. Many of these have been living here for many years after having immigration status revoked. Due process happened. No one has been deported without due process. To claim such, you must prove such. No proof has been given.
Item 2 - US citizens are being deported. Not even close to true. This cannot happen. But media, local and state governments keep saying this...with zero proof.
Iten 3 - ICE is undertrained and have been brutalizing innocent citizens. This is false. ICE, like any other federal LEO has more than adequate training and no inncocent citizen, who was brutalized, can be named. Everyone who was hurt, detained, or arrested either instigated or hampered ICE, during the process of ICE doing their task.

To blame federal government or ICE, is beyond ignorant of the facts at hand. Do not be afraid to place blame squarely where it belongs. It won't make you MAGA. Hell, I have yet to vote for Trump. I sure am not going to blame him or his admin unless he is at fault.