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re: Will Canada actually allow Alberta to leave?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 2:49 pm to Red Stick Rambler
Posted on 5/5/26 at 2:49 pm to Red Stick Rambler
How fun would it be if Trump released a statement recognizing the independence of Alberta?
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 2:50 pm to BFIV
How could they stop them
Posted on 5/5/26 at 5:06 pm to BFIV
quote:
But the monies generated by southern cotton fueled the north more than it did the south.
That is false. I’m stunned that someone could think this. What do you think? Southern planters sold their crop and then sent the money to needy yankees?
Let’s try it with another example:
Most of the monies generated by Silicon Valley fuel Iowa more than Silicon Valley.
It’s just hard to believe.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 5:08 pm to beaux duke
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maga states bringing up the rear as usual
MAGA states are dragged down by democrat inner cities. Get rid of our “democrats” and we’d be the top of the heap.
This post was edited on 5/5/26 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 5/5/26 at 5:18 pm to LLeD
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No matter how much the leftists shout, migrants have less chances now; the borders are practically closed.
Ok.
Isn’t that like shutting the barn door after the horses run out?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 5:22 pm to Penrod
The south was sending their crop to England which is why they blockaded Charleston.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 5:38 pm to FluffyBunnyFeet
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Militarily I suppose. If diplomatic efforts fail that is.
And what happens if they seceded and immediately requested assistance from the U.S. to protect them from an oppressive regime? Do we treat with them, or hold fast to our relationship with Quebec, and the balance of the Canadian provinces?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 6:10 pm to BFIV
it is not Canadas decision, Albertans can vote to leave.
And a fair amount of them would seriously consider being a territory of the USA.
The USA is 80% of Canadas business.....80%! They do not exist without the US. Simply the facts!
No one actually believes it will happen....but Ottawa is SUPER LEFT and the baws in Western CA bant stand it!
And a fair amount of them would seriously consider being a territory of the USA.
The USA is 80% of Canadas business.....80%! They do not exist without the US. Simply the facts!
No one actually believes it will happen....but Ottawa is SUPER LEFT and the baws in Western CA bant stand it!
Posted on 5/5/26 at 6:32 pm to kingbob
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They had the political will to simply close and empty the bank accounts of protesters. Why wouldn’t they resist a secession movement which would be a death sentence?
Political will, sure, but do the modern Canadian citizens have a stomach for the violence that would come with a civil war?
This post was edited on 5/5/26 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 5/5/26 at 6:49 pm to lake chuck fan
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Just stfu! Any thread you enter automatically devolves 10 or more IQ points.
iq points!!!
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:14 pm to kingbob
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They had the political will to simply close and empty the bank accounts of protesters. Why wouldn’t they resist a secession movement which would be a death sentence?
Oh, they would resist. They would be fools not to, but it's not so cut and dried as Ottawa just saying "no, go home you hosers."
Before we get too deeply into this, understand that there are really two referendums going on:
1. The independence referendum being pushed by a coalition of independent citizens' groups (Alberta Prosperity Project, Stay Free Alberta, etc.). This has little legal grounds to stand on and independence is still unfavored by a majority of Albertans ( LINK).
2. The planned UCP (United Conservative Party) referendum being pushed by Premier Danielle Smith, which is planned for October 19th and with nine questions focused mainly on immigration restrictions and constitutional changes to increase provincial powers.
The topics would be about:
-Immigration and strain on services (Canada's influx of foreigners have overwhelmed education, social services, healthcare, housing, etc.)
-Resource development and federal energy policies (Alberta's economy is heavily based on O&G, Ottawa's liberal policies dealing with "climate change" are hurting Alberta)
-Fiscal imbalances and equalization (Alberta funds much of the other provinces but feels it gets nothing in return)
-Desire for more provincial autonomy
--These boil down to:
-----abolishing the Senate
-----letting provinces appoint superior court judges
-----giving provincial laws priority in shared jurisdictions
-----allowing the opting out of federal programs without losing funding
Under Canadian law (the Clarity Act of 2000), the House of Commons must determine whether a referendum question is "clear" and whether a "clear majority" supports secession. If both criteria are met, the Canadian government must enter into good faith negotiations to attempt to address the reasons behind the referendum. They could enter in bad faith, but then that runs the risk of creating political pressures against the government.
Trudeau was the type who may have entered in bad faith to the point of just dragging negotiations out until Alberta gave up out of frustration, but then would that sort of treatment just fire up more Albertans? While a solid 2/3 oppose secession, the number of those supporting it is at a record high (for the 5 years it's been tracked). And how would such a bad faith stance sit with other provinces (especially Quebec)?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:24 pm to BFIV
It always comes down to whether or not people are willing to fight for their freedom. Not talk and vote when those go south. If the people of Alberta want it enough to appeal to Trump, he'll back em' up with raw power.
Just like he'd deny California secession, via military power if they voted to go Commie, and welcome China in.
It's always "the barrel of a gun" when it comes to Freedom v an Authoritarian State. Of the which we are fast becoming in order to prevent the Socialist Dems from doing the same.
Just like he'd deny California secession, via military power if they voted to go Commie, and welcome China in.
It's always "the barrel of a gun" when it comes to Freedom v an Authoritarian State. Of the which we are fast becoming in order to prevent the Socialist Dems from doing the same.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:28 pm to RCDfan1950
1995 Quebec Referendum
The answer is no
They created fail-safes after the Frenchies almost did it.
I believe the new rule is that you have to have a clear majority then negotiate the departure with the other provinces
So probably like 60%
The answer is no
They created fail-safes after the Frenchies almost did it.
I believe the new rule is that you have to have a clear majority then negotiate the departure with the other provinces
So probably like 60%
This post was edited on 5/5/26 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:02 pm to Enzos Tiny Pito
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So probably like 60%
So 60% of the popular vote would be the bar for secession? And then "negotiations" with neighbors? Sounds like a legalistic 'bridge too far' to me. Who knows what they are thinking and how deep the feelings run. We do know about our Nation. Redlining and virtually polarized to the point of being irreconcilable differences.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:08 pm to BFIV
I thought Canadian law just requires the vote that is happening in Oct. Which good thing is that it coincides with Canadas gun grab deadline.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:37 pm to BFIV
Supposedly only about 25% of Albertans support secession?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:48 pm to dstone12
quote:When push comes to shove, can Ottawa actually stop them?
I just saw that fox article and was wondering the same thing
It has to be a gut punch to require 177k signature and get 300k.
They may never let them leave, but we can keep watching.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:51 pm to Geauxldilocks
quote:Keep in mind, when we revolted, it was against the most powerful country on Earth. Alberta has a MUCH easier path.
The same folks saying no way said the same for St George and likely would have said not to write a Declaration of Independence in 1776.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:53 pm to JCdawg
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The south was sending their crop to England which is why they blockaded Charleston
Was the south taking the money that the English paid them and sending it to the yankees?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 9:13 pm to BoudinChicot
This is their top General, you really want to mess with this?
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