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re: Why was the Left so opposed to the Lab Leak theory?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:59 am to The Scofflaw
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:59 am to The Scofflaw
I think this started as an admin/WHO BS talking point, and the CT faction supported the lab leak, and since everything political has to be divided by sides, the DEMs had to believe the opposite of what the conservative CTs thought, so they debased themselves by pretending that bat soup was more likely.
*ETA: the admin/WHO talking point initially was to avoid criticism of China. Remember the embarrassing video where the WHO guy wouldn't even acknowledge Taiwan?
*ETA: the admin/WHO talking point initially was to avoid criticism of China. Remember the embarrassing video where the WHO guy wouldn't even acknowledge Taiwan?
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 12:01 pm
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
it wasnt a lab leak,it was intentional,by our own DARPA military labs like ft. dietrick.Harvard u involved, UNC,Canadian university. dr. fauci and NIH.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:49 pm to Bass Tiger
The research was our reaction to the government control
not the virus
not the virus
Posted on 1/12/24 at 1:52 pm to The Scofflaw
Because the cia didn't want that theory investigated.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 1:55 pm to The Scofflaw
It wasn't the narrative the Marxist leaders leftist follow put forth.
Logic, common sense, critical thinking, don't exist for leftist.
Logic, common sense, critical thinking, don't exist for leftist.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 1:55 pm to The Scofflaw
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This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 11:13 am
Posted on 1/12/24 at 1:58 pm to The Scofflaw
quote:
Why was the Left so opposed to the Lab Leak theory?
IMO, to them the lab = government facility or minimum government funded facility. And we know how defensive they get when you throw rocks at the government (err, their church).
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 2:09 pm to The Scofflaw
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What was the rationale?
It’s multi-faceted.
1) The government funded the research. If Covid 19 was zoonotic in origin, then it’s no one’s fault and we can focus on more government spending as the cure for something nature did. Rather than appropriately focusing on how to reform government funding of bio weapon research.
2) If the origin is China, then it’s not Trump’s fault. And his early assessments look even more correct with regards to travel bans, etc.
3) A sub-argument to #1 - the NIH/CDC shouldn’t be funding any of this research. If the outbreak is indirectly the result of their funding, then it could cost them dearly in budget and power. If it’s zoonotic, then they gain more power and budget than they had before.
So the people tasked with finding out if it was a lab “leak” were the most vested parties in the outcome.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 2:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:do you have any authoritative basis for that statement?
Progressives believe in strong leadership and advice. They arent independent thinkers.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 2:19 pm to The Scofflaw
quote:
What was the rationale?
They were scared people would truly demand something when they were losing loved ones and emotional.
They found out how sheepish we had become, which is why they aren't holding back now.
Tldr: we are all pussies
Posted on 1/12/24 at 2:57 pm to The Scofflaw
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Why was the Left so opposed to the Lab Leak theory?
I was opposed to the lab leak theory as well.
The word "leak" has underlying connotations and insinuations that the whole thing was accidental.
I'm a proponent of the evidence that the virus was deliberately released, not "leaked".
Posted on 1/12/24 at 3:14 pm to The Scofflaw
Because it would have unified the right. It would have made people question deep into who funded the lab. It would have made people question how many other diseases have been leaked by the government:
Lyme disease
CWD
RSV
Covid 19
It would have made people question what other labs exist around the country/world.
Lyme disease
CWD
RSV
Covid 19
It would have made people question what other labs exist around the country/world.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 3:16 pm to The Scofflaw
Because they favor eating bats over beef.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 3:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
How many boosters are you up to now?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 3:46 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:13 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Fauci meanwhile oversaw and encouraged funding, educational instruction, and cooperative work with the Chinese on Gain-of-Function, and had previously said even if such work caused a pandemic, it would be worth it.
Worth it? It increasingly appears that unleashing a pandemic was the goal.
The National Institutes of Health (NIH), under Dr Anthony Fauci's leadership, infected 12 Egyptian fruit bats with a 'SARS-like' virus called WIV1 at a lab in Montana in 2018…. US taxpayer money was used to experiment with coronaviruses from the Chinese lab thought to be the source of the Covid pandemic more than a year before the global outbreak….
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I think this started as an admin/WHO BS talking point, and the CT faction supported the lab leak, and since everything political has to be divided by sides, the DEMs had to believe the opposite of what the conservative CTs thought, so they debased themselves by pretending that bat soup was more likely.
The average left-leaning partisan is adopting the beliefs on technical issues like this that they could never independently assess from their trusted authorities (media informed by science journalists who are informed by subject-matter experts in this case). There's definitely still reactance that lab-leak is a "conservative" idea that's a turn off to folks on the left, but the other lingering issue is that zoonotic disease is still considered the most likely cause by the relevant experts and that's another reason you're not seeing the left "come home" to lab leak.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:33 pm to Pecker
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Ron Unz
Unz also noted the striking parallels the “lab leak” theory had with how our nation’s wholly corrupted national security apparatus used the MSM — both it’s “liberal” and “conservative” factions — to push the fabricated narrative that Saddam was both producing and hiding WMDs immediately prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
CIA Director William Casey apocryphally is quoted as saying ‘We will know the CIA’s mission is complete when the American people don’t know what to believe….”
Whatever the veracity of that quote, we long ago have reached that point.
US MEDIA STILL CAN’T GET IRAQI WMD STORY RIGHT….
This past fall The New York Times began publishing a powerful, ongoing series revealing the U.S. military’s mistreatment of soldiers who were exposed to decades-old chemical weapons during Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to The Times, between 2004 and 2011 U.S. troops stumbled across about 5,000 Iraqi chemical munitions of various types, and at least 17 American personnel, mostly bomb disposal experts, were wounded by them. All of the ordnance was manufactured by Iraq prior to the 1991 Gulf War, during the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s.
Much of the conservative media has seized on the Times articles as long-awaited, sweet vindication of Bush’s case for war. According to Rush Limbaugh, it is now proven that “Saddam Hussein was doing and had done pretty much everything he was being accused of that justified that invasion.”
And the conservative glee is understandable: after all, Bush said Iraq had WMD, and here they are. Unfortunately for the right, however, they are just as wrong about this issue now as they were in 2003 — but for a peculiar, little-understood reason: Saddam Hussein was not trying to hide the chemical munitions found by the U.S. Just the opposite, in fact.…
It is long established that Iraq — with assistance from the U.S. and other Western countries — produced enormous quantities of chemical weapons during its eight-year war with Iran in the 1980s. After Iraq was expelled from Kuwait during the Gulf War in 1991, the United Nations Security Council sent inspectors to ensure that Iraq disclosed and destroyed its entire chemical (and biological and nuclear) weapons programs. Iraq repeatedly said that it had done so, while the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations claimed it was still hiding pre-1991 weaponry.
But to locate all of Iraq’s old chemical ordnance was an impossible task: the U.S. would continue to find chemical shells — not because the Saddam Hussein regime had been hiding them, but because they had been “abandoned, forgotten and lost during the Iran-Iraq war [since] tens of thousands of CW munitions were forward deployed along the frequently and rapidly shifting battle lines.
Outlets such as Salon, MSNBC, The New Republic, The Christian Science Monitor, The Washington Post and The Times itself all accurately reported that the Times series did not vindicate the case for war. However, their recollection of what Bush’s justification for war actually was — as the Times put it, “Mr. Bush insisted that Mr. Hussein was hiding an active weapons of mass destruction program” — is not the whole story, either.
It’s certainly true that most of the Bush administration’s justification for war was that Iraq had active, post-1991 WMD programs. However, the administration also repeatedly claimed that Iraq was hiding elements of its pre-1991 chemical warfare program. In his State of the Union address two months before the invasion, Bush accused Iraq of concealing “30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents” from before the Gulf War. Colin Powell spoke of those munitions in his U.N. address, as well as “550 artillery shells with mustard” and “enough precursors to increase his stockpile to as much as 500 tons of chemical agents” — all from before 1991.
The complicated truth, then, is that part of the U.S. case for war was that the Iraqi government was hiding old, pre-1991 chemical weapons; such old chemical weapons were found in Iraq; but the U.S. case for war was still totally false because Saddam’s regime was not hiding those weapons.
Thanks in part to the failure of centrist and liberal media to explain this clearly, it’s now cemented as an article of faith on much of the right that Iraq was concealing weapons of mass destruction.…
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:33 pm to TigerDoc
quote:normal people believe it when they see it. Others seem to get it backwards. FIFY
the other lingering issue is that zoonotic disease is still considered the most likely cause by the relevant experts and that's another reason you're not seeing the left "come home" to lab leak.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:37 pm to UncleFestersLegs
I think there are some differences in the epistemic cultures of the factions with respect to DYOR but I still think we generally adopt beliefs mostly similarly from trusted sources, we just trust different sources.
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