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re: Why Trumpsigned EO to end birthright citizenship
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:43 am to Boss
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:43 am to Boss
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Then why did they have a trial for Laken Riley’s killer. They should have just shipped his arse to Guantanamo. Oh that’s right. He was subject to our jurisdiction.
Pretty sure they’ll mention where their origin is in court, because they are not US citizens. They also go to court to present evidence in a case to try them and put that crime on them. We can’t just kick them out where they won’t have that on their record. Many of us think they should have a fast trial and even support execution for heinous crimes and murders.
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Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:44 am to Boss
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Then tell Congress to amend the constitution
I will. You have their phone number or email?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:45 am to swamptiger99
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Why wouldn't his EO be held up?
Under current USSC precedent, it would be illegal.
The Supreme Court will have to overrule a line of decisions starting with Wong Kim Ark, making hypocrites of Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch in the process (assuming they vote to overturn WKA and its hyper textual and historical analysis).
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:45 am to swamptiger99
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Hence why the EO should be held up
I think you accidentally got this right.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:45 am to udtiger
Warning. Giving me a compliment is dangerous for your e cred here.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:46 am to momentoftruth87
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Their jurisdiction as citizens of other countries isn’t the jurisdiction of our country.
If they're not subject to our jurisdiction, then we can't prosecute them for crimes committed here. Nobody believes or wants that.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:47 am to SaintsTiger
Poor immigrants leave their “sh&@hole countries “ and come here for the free government subsidies. Water will seek the easiest path. An honest and compassionate/practical/functional system should reward people according to their contribution into the system. People who game the system making zero contributions (think Biden’s, Obama, McConnell and 2/3 of the DC Cabal of war-profiteering politicians), top to bottom should be cut off. Lest the whole system fail and survival and prosperity goes Darwinian. We can’t fool Mother Nature or God. For long. Only ourselves.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:48 am to BuckeyeGoon
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This part seems to imply born to US citizens.
It does not, and Wong Kim Ark specifically disagrees (as his parents were not US citizens).
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Otherwise what's the point of adding that caveat?
Wong Kim Ark gives you this answer, too.
The main reason is for diplomats. They're not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, so their children born within our borders are not citizens.
The other class isn't really relevant today, but it's for children born in areas occupied by foreign enemies occupying US land. If Children are born there, then they're not US citizens and are citizens of the occupying area.
Since we aren't in any such conflict on our soil and no area is occupied, tihs isn't really relevant. So it's just the diplomat issue.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Should birth right citizenship be made illegal by Congress?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:48 am to SaintsTiger
Birthright citizenship should only be a thing when both parents are already citizens at time of birth.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
Roe v. Wade was overturned, why wouldn't this one be?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:49 am to SaintsTiger
quote:My guess is that will be a few days until a leftist judge issues an injunction.
He just wants to stop the bleeding for as long as he can
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:50 am to momentoftruth87
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They also go to court to present evidence in a case to try them and put that crime on them.
If they're not subject to US jurisdiction, no court can try a case against them and no prosecutor can bring charges against them.
We can't "put any crime on them", to use your language.
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. Many of us think they should have a fast trial
Then you think they're subject to US jurisdiction, which means their children born here are citizens.
Can't have a fast trial (or any trial) without having jurisdiction over them.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:50 am to roadGator
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Should birth right citizenship be made illegal by Congress?
They'd be only part of the process, as it will take an amendment.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:51 am to SaintsTiger
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Then amend.
We’re broke, and can’t afford to support millions because one party needs more votes
Until then, nope.
We’re broke, and can’t afford to support millions because one party needs more votes
Until then, nope.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:51 am to SaintsTiger
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do you see a realistic world where the EO is upheld?
No. But, the argument before the Supreme Court will be fascinating.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:53 am to swamptiger99
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Roe v. Wade was overturned, why wouldn't this one be?
The right in Roe was invented via shaky legal reasoning.
The right in the 14A is based purely on text and history of that text. There is no text about abortion in the Constitution. There is specific text about this issue in the Constitution.
Also, Dobbs, in overruling Roe, created a new framework to overturn precedent. To overturn WKA, the court would have to create yet another standard, which is basically complete chaos in terms of a common law system. You can't just keep overturning precedents and making up new standards every 3-5 years.
Lastly, while it's possible, overturning WKA would be the height of hypocrisy from Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:54 am to roadGator
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Warning. Giving me a compliment is dangerous for your e cred here.
No. You’re 100% right and deserve credit.
There’s a lot of things that we do see eye to eye. We need to unite and implement ideas just like yours.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:54 am to momentoftruth87
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Many of us think they should have a fast trial and even support execution for heinous crimes and murders.
If we can do that we have jurisdiction. I’m not sure you know what the hell you are talking about man.
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