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Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:09 am to Bard
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I think the more appropriate question is why is this guy considered a representative of a group where the BLM cop-killers are not?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:11 am to Joeyk4
which one is the more sensational headline?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:12 am to Joeyk4
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What about all the murders in Chicago that nobody seems to speak out on.
For the record, Fox News is a huge chunk of TV news and talks about Chicago violence incessantly. I think the better question for you to pose is why more media outlets don't talk about it.
Anyway, the violence in Chicago itself has no political angle (I'm sure we could find one but it'd be a reach). It's just violence. But, I've long reacted to hate crimes and the like by asking why a black kid shooting a guy in the face for 20 bucks (much more common) is somehow less problematic than someone shooting someone for their race (far less common).
But despite that, I still understand why the latter would be more interesting from a news perspective.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:13 am to bmy
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Because one was just a murder and the other a hate crime?
Wow
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:14 am to mmcgrath
No I haven't. This was my first post on it.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:14 am to bmy
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Just like that lunatic who shot the politicians playing baseball committed a hate crime.
The whole concept of "hate crime" is kindergarten logic imo. Hate is a thought process. It seems you're an advocate for punishing certain thoughts more harshly even though the end result of the action is the same.
Why? How do you justify that type of sanctimonious bias?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:16 am to Dale51
Setting aside hate crime laws, do you think "hate crimes" are of more importance than random, street crime? I think it's a better question than the need for hate crime laws - which are clearly NOT needed IMO.
In theory, I can see why hate-based crimes are more worrisome. But I don't think that's the case in modern America, where hate movements involve only a negligible portion of the population.
In theory, I can see why hate-based crimes are more worrisome. But I don't think that's the case in modern America, where hate movements involve only a negligible portion of the population.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:20 am to Joeyk4
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No I haven't. This was my first post on it.
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I'm not trying to cause controversy but just going by the friends on my FB page and articles I've read. So many posts about this woman would was killed (which is a terrible thing) but what about Kate Steinle who was killed by an illegal immigrant while just walking on a Pier in San Francisco? I never read one post in regards to her. The media barely reported it. It's just seems like this violence fits the narrative much better. To somehow put it in people's heads that Trump supporters are white supremacists when in actually neo nazi hate groups are a very small part of the population. Also I just watch a republican state that the violence on the right far outweighs the violence on the left. I'm sorry but with BLM, violent college protests to shut down conservative speakers, the paid protestors all over the country after Trump won. The violence at his rallies prior to his win....how can anyone state the right is more violent?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:30 am to Pettifogger
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Setting aside hate crime laws, do you think "hate crimes" are of more importance than random, street crime?
No I don't. Do you?
Setting aside the action, do you think crimes should be punished more harshly based on someone else divining the persons motivation for it? Two people commit the exact same crime..but one "thought" differently about it first?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:33 am to buckeye_vol
quote:Okay. As we attribute motives to Fields, and excoriate DJT for audaciously asking both sides to stop the violence,
it's sickening you're only focusing on one tragedy and not countless others that have occured
let's recall on Dallas and what Obama said about that murder's motivations.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:35 am to Joeyk4
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Why so many mentions of Heather Heyer but nothing about Kate Steinle when it happened?
And you know they don't want to talk about Seth Rich.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:37 am to NC_Tigah
quote:When asked a question about the shooter's motivations he answered that he didn't know. The shooter was a disturbed individual.
let's recall on Dallas and what Obama said about that murder's motivations.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:39 am to Pettifogger
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But it's similarly fricked up to invoke every crime committed by illegal immigrants in an attempt to brand the entire group undesirable and a threat to (white) citizens.
Illegal immigrants are undesirable. They are criminals just by being here,
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:39 am to Dale51
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No I don't. Do you?
Setting aside the action, do you think crimes should be punished more harshly based on someone else divining the persons motivation for it? Two people commit the exact same crime..but one "thought" differently about it first?
I see it both ways. If a hate crime may legitimately be indicative of a growing threat, then I can see why it may be more troubling and of more public importance. But like I mentioned, I just don't think that is a genuine thing to fear in this country, and the continuation of thoughtless, meaningless crime is probably more disconcerting, honestly. Regardless, the loss of life isn't more or less meaningful.
But, I do get why one sparks more discourse and agitation, at least partially. If I'm black and someone in my city commits a lynching, you my realistically think a little different about your neighbors the next day. Hopefully not long lasting, but I can see how it impacts a wide variety of relationships.
Now that may beg the question of whether or not in cities like mine, where the huge majority of violent crimes are committed by black men, that shouldn't spark discourse as well.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:44 am to el Gaucho
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Illegal immigrants are undesirable. They are criminals just by being here,
we let you in, settle down
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:44 am to NC_Tigah
quote:I'm not sure what this has to do with my post. I'm solely referring to the newsworthiness, just like Dallas was newsworthy.
Okay. As we attribute motives to Fields, and excoriate DJT for audaciously asking both sides to stop the violence,
let's recall on Dallas and what Obama said about that murder's motivations.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:47 am to JuiceTerry
It is pretty amazing that we all know who Kate Steinle was even though nobody reported on it ever.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:51 am to The Spleen
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Because there's at least one picture of him standing in solidarity with them while holding a shield with a symbol for fascism on it.
Considering how lazy our media is in investigating things that shine a negative light on black groups, I can agree with this.
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