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Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:31 pm to ninthward
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preventing Russia from expanding economically could be seen as a direct threat to their sovereignty and thus be considered an act of war or only the USA can expand its reach globally?
BREAKTHROUGH! you just answered why we cant be friends, we have competing interest in a world that gets smaller everyday.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:32 pm to GumboPot
Because Modern Russia sees the "global financiers" as the enemy they are and this is a big problem for the globalists.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:33 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:Yea world police unite.
BREAKTHROUGH! you just answered why we cant be friends, we have competing interest in a world that gets smaller everyday.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:33 pm to GumboPot
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Why should the U.S. be an enemy of modern day Russia?
Gonorrhea, what’s so bad about it anyway?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:34 pm to Decatur
quote:For one it can be cured with antibiotics and no one dies as a result.
Gonorrhea, what’s so bad about it anyway?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:11 pm to TigerDoc
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Just this week this came out that they're training Bosnian separatist militias.
Do you know how many militias our government is arming and training at the moment? And do you know anything about that region? The separatists in Bosnia you're referring to are from the Serb Republic, a constituent legal entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina. The Serb Republic is over 80% Serbian and Christian, in stark contrast to the rest of Bosnia, which is overwhelmingly Muslim. They want independence. It makes more sense for the Russians to arm their Slavic cousins within their sphere of influence than it does us arming Islamic radicals in third-world hellholes thousands of miles away.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:13 pm to SCLibertarian
Very meta. Russians, whataboutism. I feel you.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:18 pm to TigerDoc
It's not whataboutism when you expose that the reasons people give for why Russia is a bad actor are the very same things that the United States does even more frequently.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:22 pm to SCLibertarian
Do you really mean to be defending military separatism in the Balkans or are you just a troll?
There's only one side fighting in this conflict now and it's not us.
There's only one side fighting in this conflict now and it's not us.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:29 pm to TigerDoc
We went to war in the former Yugoslavia in the mid-1990's and in Kosovo in 1999 to assist military separatism and self-determination. Now when the Russians are arming separatist militias in Bosnia who want their own Serbian Republic they're the bad guys. The height of hypocrisy.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:34 pm to Lakeboy7
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Their national government is a crime syndicate in suits.
Oh and that whole destruction of the West (thats us) mantra.
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ALL OF THAT IS ACCURATE. WE HAVE NO CHOICE. THEY ARE NOT OUR FRIEND.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:39 pm to SCLibertarian
Our military action over the past 17 years make Russians look like Saints.
We should treat everyone as trading partners, force Europe to defend themselves and work on common relationships with everyone
You'll go further selling iPhones than bombs.
We should treat everyone as trading partners, force Europe to defend themselves and work on common relationships with everyone
You'll go further selling iPhones than bombs.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 6:44 pm to GumboPot
Being white and nominally Christian is enough for the left.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 6:53 pm to GumboPot
Well there are some major institutions like NATO and the EU which were developed as a bulwark against then-Soviet aggression. Combine that with the insistence of both institutions to move eastward, taking in former Warsaw Pact countries, which is deeply opposed by Russia, which forms the basis of the disagreement at the moment. Many of the Warsaw Pact countries are deeply distrustful of Russia, and the eagerness with which they want to join protective blocks is a sign of how seriously they view the Russians as a threat.
Russia is naturally outflanked, and thus has moved to different regions in order to open access to markets, and develop relationships with key countries. Russia's key moves, outside of gaining a stable, warm water port (perhaps in Syria) is to prevent itself being outflanked. It's relationship with Iran can be explained in this regard. The key in this is what happens to Turkey in the next 30 years. If somehow Russia and Turkey can develop a closer relationship, undermining both NATO and Turkey's aspirations to the EU (which is effectively dead at the moment), it could gain access to the Mediterranean and upset the West a great deal.
In general, Russia and the US will be diametrically opposed about most things, but that is to be expected. Whether they become an enemy on the scale of the Soviet Union is another matter. But the Russians themselves feel very hemmed in, and will probably use diplomacy and then force to break out if they feel the need to.
Russia is naturally outflanked, and thus has moved to different regions in order to open access to markets, and develop relationships with key countries. Russia's key moves, outside of gaining a stable, warm water port (perhaps in Syria) is to prevent itself being outflanked. It's relationship with Iran can be explained in this regard. The key in this is what happens to Turkey in the next 30 years. If somehow Russia and Turkey can develop a closer relationship, undermining both NATO and Turkey's aspirations to the EU (which is effectively dead at the moment), it could gain access to the Mediterranean and upset the West a great deal.
In general, Russia and the US will be diametrically opposed about most things, but that is to be expected. Whether they become an enemy on the scale of the Soviet Union is another matter. But the Russians themselves feel very hemmed in, and will probably use diplomacy and then force to break out if they feel the need to.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 7:35 pm to SCLibertarian
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Do you know how many militias our government is arming and training at the moment? And do you know anything about that region? The separatists in Bosnia you're referring to are from the Serb Republic, a constituent legal entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina. The Serb Republic is over 80% Serbian and Christian, in stark contrast to the rest of Bosnia, which is overwhelmingly Muslim. They want independence. It makes more sense for the Russians to arm their Slavic cousins within their sphere of influence than it does us arming Islamic radicals in third-world hellholes thousands of miles away.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 7:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You'll go further selling iPhones than bombs.
Yes but the global elite and international financiers have more invested in perpetual war
Posted on 1/15/18 at 7:37 pm to SCLibertarian
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We went to war in the former Yugoslavia in the mid-1990's and in Kosovo in 1999 to assist military separatism and self-determination.
And we were bombing the wrong people then
Posted on 1/15/18 at 7:39 pm to GumboPot
Hell if I know but we watched Bridge Of Spies last night. Not exactly great endorsement of communism or government bureaucracy.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 7:41 pm to VOR
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Their national government is a crime syndicate in suits.
We are talking about Russians not the Kenyan dictator and Clinton crime family
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