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re: Why "moderates" suck.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:57 am to Damone
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:57 am to Damone
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Nothing worse than a political moderate, perfectly fine with the status quo and not principled enough to stand for any meaningful change.
I'm OK with the status quo of capitalism and not the meaningful change of socialism.
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Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:05 am to AUCom96
Moderates are people without values, convictions, or principles who try to live on both sides of the fence in order to be accepted by those on either side and give a false appearance of objectivity.
Neither side can trust them. Neither side respects them. Both sides despise them and rightly so. Because they’re unprincipled morons.
Neither side can trust them. Neither side respects them. Both sides despise them and rightly so. Because they’re unprincipled morons.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:48 am to Chancellor
Why do your personal values have to be pigeon-holed into one side or the other? That's like passing COVID guidelines for NYC or Texas that the whole country has to follow. It's an asinine theory. I vote Republican the majority of the time, but I don't agree with everything that they try to push across the table. I also agree with very little from the left, especially these days. That doesn't mean I'm a democrat if I want legalized marijuana or if I think its OK that a gay family member wants to get married. You do you, I'll do me, and if you don't think I believe in anything, meet me at Sonic for $0.50 corndog I'll stick up your arse.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 9:57 am
Posted on 7/10/20 at 10:10 am to AUCom96
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The “middle ground” is why every corporation in America is paying lip service to a racist, domestic terror group right now. The “middle ground” is why conservative opinions can be silenced with no blowback
No, the moderates, or middle ground, is going to determine this election.
If trump just shuts up and doesn’t do anything stupid, the moderates (such as myself) will be pushed to vote for trump to restore sanity and law & order to this country.
For me personally, there’s nothing that trump can do to make me vote for Biden (or any liberal in the near future). But other moderates may not feel as strongly as me.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:38 am to AUCom96
Moderates are idiots.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:56 am to AUCom96
TBH I was one of those moderates. I thought in order for a Republic to function like ours, there had to be give and take. Reaching across the aisles and building coalitions between parties. I thought it was the path forward for a long time. Now though, now I weep for the future. I'm just so depressed at the conversations we're having. Instead of ones that could unify or bring together, we talk about stupid shite like identity politics, wokeness, and cultural appropriation. Really all it comes down to is "wypipo bad" in their view. I don't know what it was, I can only guess that it was the Universities that are responsible for this. I used to laugh when people brought up cultural Marxism, I know a lot better now after BLM and the statue bullshite. They want to erase white history, they say it's only the bad parts right now but just wait, when the white race is demonized, then everything they've done in the past will be demonized as well. I don't know about purging the moderates, I've always believed in winning people over in the market place of ideas. However liberals don't believe in that anymore, they just shut conversations down before they happen. If moderates only side with Democrats, are they really moderates though?
I wonder anymore, would we be better off with a parliamentary unicameral style government? Then we could have a true right, a true left, and a true middle. In the Federalist Papers, Madison talked about how the many factions in the viable parties would keep them from coalescing and turning into what we have now with the Republican/Democrat binary. I'd hate to say he was wrong but I'm starting to think he was, maybe he underestimated the influence of money?
I wonder anymore, would we be better off with a parliamentary unicameral style government? Then we could have a true right, a true left, and a true middle. In the Federalist Papers, Madison talked about how the many factions in the viable parties would keep them from coalescing and turning into what we have now with the Republican/Democrat binary. I'd hate to say he was wrong but I'm starting to think he was, maybe he underestimated the influence of money?
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:08 pm to Auburn80
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So, everyone who isn't a right wing KKK member or a left wing ANTIFA member would be a moderate?
Yes, that’s exactly what he said.
It’s completely normal to be “in the middle” on some issues. The odds of someone being “in the middle” on almost every issue and still following some sort of consistent principles are statistically zero. What’s the “moderate” position on freedom of association and protected classes? What’s the “moderate” position on affirmative action, 60% tax rates on the wealthy, welfare as a way of life? It’s not that I would find any particular moderate position inherently wrong, it’s just that the word as an overall political description is meaningless. And typically used, as the OP said, as a way to avoid conflict or a rigorous defense of one’s views.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:15 pm to Chancellor
God doesn't like them either.
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I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Revelation 3:15-16
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:25 pm to Constantatius
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I thought in order for a Republic to function like ours, there had to be give and take. Reaching across the aisles and building coalitions between parties.
I said back in the 90's we would end up where we are now due to the GOP "reaching across the aisle".
The left has been on this mission since FDR if not before. Chip away at it and eventually they get there.
Never give an inch to them.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:26 pm to BuckyCheese
Also, anyone that thinks Trump is extreme right is out of their mind.
He just seems that way since the progressives have morphed into full blown Bolsheviks.
He just seems that way since the progressives have morphed into full blown Bolsheviks.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:28 pm to AUCom96
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To me, this largely defines a certain sort of person who finds politics, political ideas, discourse or activity distasteful.
You not understanding what the word "moderate" means is not anyone else's issue but yours, baw. What you are describing is apolitical, not moderate.
Most of the population is 'moderate' politically, and not made up of ideologues like the media would have you believe.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:28 pm to AggieHank86
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Nonsense.
One need not be a rabid ideologue in order to interested (and invested) in the political system.
Romney, McCain, Bush, Ryan, McConnell, Rubio, Collins, etc the list goes on.
None of those people give a shite about anything "conservative"
They roll over any chance they get.
The word moderate has lots its flair.
But I think the Overton Window has shifted dramatically. And I hope both parties split into different factions.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:29 pm to AUCom96
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Why "moderates" suck.
eh, I don't think they suck in theory, but I want to slap someone every time I hear "Well, I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative." No, no you're not. You just don't have an opinion or don't want said opinion attacked, so you pander to both sides with that broad/vague statement.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:29 pm to AggieHank86
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Is it physically-painful to be this stupid? I have often wondered.
A "moderate" is a leftist too gutless to say so or a leftist politician lying to get elected.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:30 pm to AUCom96
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moderates make a point of NOT appearing invested
If you mean not invested in the successes or failures of a political party, then yea.
If mean not invested in policy or the success of the country, then that is just silly. Again, someone who is not invested in the political environment/goings on is not a political moderate. That person is apolitical.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:31 pm to gthog61
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A "moderate" is a leftist too gutless to say so or a leftist politician lying to get elected.
Every one of those moderates with a D after their name voted to impeach.
So moderate of them.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:34 pm to BarnHater
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LiberalHank
Yeah, they can just pretend to be libertarian when they’re really just a liberal.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 1:05 pm to AUCom96
In a world where things are often gray, you think its best to have black and white opinions on everything?
Interesting.
Your post is chock full of lazy assumptions, generalizations, and conjecture. I'd argue that people like you are the problem.
Interesting.
Your post is chock full of lazy assumptions, generalizations, and conjecture. I'd argue that people like you are the problem.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 1:11 pm to Funky Tide 8
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In a world where things are often gray, you think its best to have black and white opinions on things?
How gray is, say, refusing to serve someone because they have brown skin?
Posted on 7/10/20 at 1:16 pm to AUCom96
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If conservative thought has a future in this country, they have to purge these disingenuous "moderates" from their ranks and stop letting them claim the moral high road in political discourse.
Show me where we have been fiscally conservative in the GOP in the last 20 years?
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