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re: Why is this board pro-Russia and Putin all of a sudden?

Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
26349 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:56 pm to
What's weird is people consistently saying Russia is bad just because you were told to think that way. Any concrete examples to why we should hate Russia? Have they been an aggressor towards the US ?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57028 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:56 pm to
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But why does that all-of-a-sudden give Russia the right to invade their neighbor?


I didn't say it gave them a "right". What sort of "right" are you talking about. Russia, Ukraine, etc... are not governed by American law, so discussing who has a right to what is just silly.

it does, however, show that NATO expansion, which was informally agreed to not happen, has happened. Whether that is justification for invasion of Ukraine is more of an issue for Europe and NOT the United States. However, if China, for example, started to push it's influence on Mexico, or Canada, do you think the US would sit idly by and do nothing? No. So whether or not it justifies Russias moves, i don't know, nor do i care. However, it does give Russia at least some sort of a reason.

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I don't see a scenario where NATO ever invades a hypothetically docile Russia for no reason.


They've acquired 13 nations since 2004. Not sure what would make the World Order cease.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86131 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:56 pm to
It's not new necessarily, but efforts have been redoubled now that Trump is trying to push Zelensky into a peace deal.

Unfortunately, we have some Trump guys who aren't really bright enough understand that Trump is engaging in a negotiation and doesn't actually think Russia is some great friend to the US or that Russia isn't at fault for the war, etc. They'll talk about 4D chess but when Trump actually does it they get completely sucked in.

Posted by 904
Forever under I-10
Member since Dec 2009
1105 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:57 pm to
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Yet acquired more territory under Obama and Biden. But i'm sure he prefers less territory under Trump, right? Fool.


I'd imagine that he prefers the administration that's stopped funding the military efforts of the country he's decided to invade, which is also the same administration that he tried to assist to get into office in our last election.

Again, not saying that we should keep aiding Ukraine, but it's obvious which administration is Russia's favorite.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
25943 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:58 pm to
They don’t genuinely admire Putin. It’s just fodder to piss liberals off.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133711 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:58 pm to
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show that NATO expansion, which was informally agreed to not happen,
Does that mean they did a pinky-swear??
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35869 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:58 pm to
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They've acquired 13 nations since 2004. Not sure what would make the World Order cease.

Again, how dare nations act freely to joint alliances of their choosing.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57028 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:58 pm to
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I'd imagine that he prefers the administration that's stopped funding the military efforts of the country he's decided to invade


Putin only invaded because Obama and Biden were weak, and he saw an opportunity to do so. Trump brokered a peace to stop the war and the expansion. How does less territory benefit Russia? Again, you're a fool.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14439 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:59 pm to
Pro peace not pro Russia..
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57028 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:00 pm to
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Again, how dare nations act freely to joint alliances of their choosing.


You state this like i give a shite. I don't, as long as America isn't footing the bill for NATO's defense. I've been saying this from the beginning, this war is Europe's problem, not the US. Trump stepped in and ended the war.

I'm just giving you the facts and telling you why Russia is upset over NATO expansion. You're opinions on it doesn't change anything.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 2:01 pm
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10457 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:00 pm to
Are you the same NPC making this same stupid thread every day?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:00 pm to
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How dare sovereign nations not allow Moscow control over their foreign policy.


Hypothetical, shall we?

What if Mexico announced that it had a deal with Iran to provide for their defense? Iran will be moving troops and equipment into Mexico, to include tanks, helicopters, fighter jets and other airplanes, with the possibility of nuclear weapons in the near future. Should we let the sovereign nation of Mexico control their foreign policy, or no?
Posted by ouflak
Manchester, England
Member since Jul 2021
593 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:01 pm to
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Why is this board pro-Russia and Putin all of a sudden?


I don't trust Putin one bit no matter who the presdent or what war he's gotten himslef into. He's the kind of person who would give his mother a hug and a kiss and promise to do the dishes so she can get off her feet, and then, as she walked away with a smile on her face, stab her in the back and twist the blade.

I'm not convinced many others feel that differently. He's been exactly the same since he took over.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133711 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:01 pm to
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They've acquired 13 nations since 2004.


NATO does not "acquire" nations.

Nations voluntarily join the NATO alliance by asking to become members. Each NATO member retains fully independent, sovereign rights.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66986 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:02 pm to
This neocon psycho ran a coup there.


We put 12 spy bases on the border.
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These guys and Biden went over there constantly to stir the pot.
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Ukraine should have listened to the professor.
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And, by the way, Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande admitted that the Minsk II agreements were a scam to build up Ukraine.

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35869 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:03 pm to
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You state this like i give a shite.

Well you keep talking about NATO acquiring things so it leads me to believe you have no idea how NATO works.

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don't, as long as America isn't footing the bill for NATO's defense.

This only cements my belief. I assume you’re one of the people who thinks NATO defense funding is from some common pot that countries pay into.

By the way, these nations that NATO has “acquired” since the fall of the Soviet Union are generally the NATO members that actually meet their defense spending pledges.

France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc are the real freeloaders in NATO. Not the Baltic states, Poland, or the former Warsaw Pact countries.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57028 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:03 pm to
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NATO does not "acquire" nations.


Other nations joining nato is an acquisition of nations to the larger NATO organization. Is nomenclature really the issue you have here?
Posted by 904
Forever under I-10
Member since Dec 2009
1105 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:04 pm to
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What's weird is people consistently saying Russia is bad just because you were told to think that way. Any concrete examples to why we should hate Russia? Have they been an aggressor towards the US ?


That whole Cold War thing?

Aligning themselves with communist governments such as North Korea, China, and the like

Russia tampering or attempting to tamper everyone else's elections, including our own



Hell, it even gets ugly every time the Olympics comes around
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19233 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:04 pm to
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What's weird is people consistently saying Russia is bad just because you were told to think that way.

Russia has always been asshoe. Just ask Finland, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Germany, Czech Republic, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, China, Japan, and all of the 'Stans. Nobody had to tell me. I have history books.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35869 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Should we let the sovereign nation of Mexico control their foreign policy, or no?

Why wouldn’t we? Absent aggressive actions, what Mexico does in Mexico is Mexico’s prerogative.
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