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re: Why is the USPS allowed to continue to operate at a loss each and every year?

Posted on 4/2/24 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
2793 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 2:48 pm to
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Because it's a service, not a business.





Imagine being the person in charge operating at a loss. There has to be no rules in place.

A service should always operate at a loss? What kind of shite are you on?
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25729 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 2:49 pm to
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Because it's a service, not a business.


It is in direct competition with business.

And it's fee structure is a business model.

I have no issue with people bitching about a competitor in the marketplace posting a $2B loss per quarter.

Are we at the point in our American experiment where we just assume that the society is going to end due to an inevitable bankruptcy... so just frick it!?!?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112572 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:02 pm to
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It is really strange how much certain people treat usps as some sort of sacred national good/source of national pride It’s an antiquated vestigial structure, and it’s original purpose was to be a source of revenue for govt


Private companies delivering mail actually started around 1800. It was strictly city delivery services. But they were banned because local and state politicians were using post office director and manager jobs as reward for support (patronage system). Or they were appointing relatives to the jobs.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 3:15 pm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21921 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:13 pm to
Why is the military allowed to continue to operate at a loss each and every year?

Why is the fire department allowed to continue to operate at a loss each and every year?


Because they're not businesses, they're public services.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112572 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:24 pm to
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Because they're not businesses, they're public services.


The DMV is a public service. Now I go to an insurance office near my home operating a side service. It takes me 5 minutes to get a new photo license.
The DMV took an hour. I'd pull number 56 and they would say 'Now serving No. 4.' There were 8 desk operator stations. But only 4 were open. The rest were taking their hourly lunch break. Govt workers suck.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19380 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:48 pm to
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Just because they have that power doesn't mean they are mandated to exercise it.

Sure, and it almost certainly would be better run if it was privatized, however it is one of the few enumerated powers of Congress so I'd rather fight against Congress' usurpation of States' powers and not against one of their actual ones.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21921 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:52 pm to
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The DMV is a public service.


And 'loses' money every year. Thanks for proving the point.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68129 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:54 pm to
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Sure, and it almost certainly would be better run if it was privatized


Congress can abandon it if it has the political will.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
3696 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:03 pm to
Our USPS mail lady bitches if there is one inch of snow in front of our mailbox and she has a 4x4 vehicle. The UPS guy says frick it and drives all the way up our 1/2 mile driveway regardless of how much snow and never complains and his rig is 2 wheel drive.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19380 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:04 pm to
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Congress can abandon it if it has the political will.

Correct, as I've said. But why should we focus on an actual enumerated power of Congress instead of their unconstitutional usurpations of the States?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26894 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:07 pm to
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Why is the military allowed to continue to operate at a loss each and every year?

Why is the fire department allowed to continue to operate at a loss each and every year?


Because they're not businesses, they're public services.


Those don’t have private competition. They are not competing in the marketplace. The USPS is.

Big difference.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
7586 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:13 pm to
Why is the USPS, one of the few agencies specifically created by Article 8 Section 1 of the Constitution, required to operate at a profit? Does the Department of Education create a profit, or provide a service that every American can utilize at their convenience every day?

Granted, it could be more efficient.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 4:16 pm
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19380 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:17 pm to
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Does the Department of Education create a profit, or provide a service that every American can utilize at their convenience every day?

No and the Education Department is also unconstitutional and should be abolished. Public education is a state power not federal.
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
2793 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:19 pm to
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Why is the military allowed to continue to operate at a loss each and every year?


Because it's part of national security, possibly?

I can see going in the red paying for your freedom. We are taking about a piece of friggin paper here. Two totally different things
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 4:23 pm
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
8966 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:27 pm to
The USPS provides a lot of information to the watchers.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29226 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:28 pm to
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and it almost certainly would be better run if it was privatized


Until half of rural areas get their service cut to keep it profitable.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22442 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:48 pm to
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Frankly their rates are ridiculously low compared to UPS/FedEx for the same package and service.



And their employees are obscenely overpaid. $100k+ for a minimum wage skillset.
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
1230 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:02 pm to
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$2.1 billion net loss for the first quarter of fiscal 2024 — more than double its $1 billion net loss for the same period last year.



I guess I wasn't just lucky that the package I mailed recently was $13 with USPS and $35 with the other carriers.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68360 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:06 pm to
How can they fudge mail in ballots if they aren't on the payroll?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112572 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:08 pm to
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The DMV is a public service. And 'loses' money every year. Thanks for proving the point.


Ah, so you agree public services should be privatized. Thanks for proving my point.
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