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re: Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:05 pm to REG861
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:05 pm to REG861
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Due Process means letting someone with obvious mental illness 'represent' themselves (and proceed to babble incoherently about Satan) rather than appoint a sane, court-ordered attorney ?
So he went to trial was convicted & they executed him? If that was the case I would agree with you but still disagree with Vegas Bengal's dumb comparison.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:22 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ralph - are you in favor of the death penalty in any situation?
I would say I support it under military codes and military justice, but for civilians I am opposed to it.
There is no proof that it deters murder and I don't believe the state should be administering the death penalty in civilian circumstances.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
He may not know who he is, but he sure as shite knew that his murder victims were the parents of the woman who dumped his cold-hearted arse.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:29 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I don't believe the state should be administering the death penalty in civilian circumstances.
Yet for years you had the Red Banner (Hammer and Sickle) as your avatar. Hmmm.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:34 pm to I B Freeman
What would happen if he were in Louisiana??
Jindal hasn't signed many death warrants has he?
Jindal hasn't signed many death warrants has he?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:40 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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There is no proof that it deters murder and I don't believe the state should be administering the death penalty in civilian circumstances.
Wrong. There is proof that it deters in cases of certainty and proximity. If the DP means your trial will take 40 years then there is no deterent effect. If you got hung two days after you stole a horse in 1880 it prevented a lot of horse theft.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:44 pm to Stlsport
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So he went to trial was convicted & they executed him?
Convicted, and about to be executed.
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If that was the case I would agree with you but still disagree with Vegas Bengal's dumb comparison.
Please dont associate me with that.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:44 pm to hawkster
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He may not know who he is, but he sure as shite knew that his murder victims were the parents of the woman who dumped his cold-hearted arse.
Unfortunately for you and your argument, the woman who dumped his cold-hearted arse disagrees with you.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
We have nothing to gain paying to keep a delusional killer incarcerated and on his meds for the rest of his life and a whole lot to gain executing him.
I know I sound like a dick but that's just the reality here.
I know I sound like a dick but that's just the reality here.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:25 pm to REG861
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Unfortunately for you and your argument, the woman who dumped his cold-hearted arse disagrees with you.
I guess it was just a mere coincidence that the people he chose to murder were the parents of the woman who dumped his cold-hearted arse. Since the OP stated that the murderer "scarcely comprehends who he is", then I think that his ability to identify and murder specific family members of the estranged wife is relevant to the argument.
And although victims/family members/etc. may take a position of leniency in prosecution and/or sentencing, it is not up to the them to determine the guilt or the sentence. If it were, then a lot more murderers would be awaiting the death sentence.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
I'm against the death penalty, but I don't see why we can't apply it to this defendant if we're going to use it. He's clearly a danger to society, and his mental state doesn't make him less so.
By your "logic", he shouldn't be incarcerated either. It's not his fault so we should let him run free and terrorize and kill innocent people.
By your "logic", he shouldn't be incarcerated either. It's not his fault so we should let him run free and terrorize and kill innocent people.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
Waiting 24 years is "eager"?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:05 pm to REG861
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Unfortunately for you and your argument, the woman who dumped his cold-hearted arse disagrees with you.
I like you as a poster here. However, in this case he was found legally sane at the time of the offense. As such, he's guilty and was sentenced to death. End of story.
Now the issue of forcing him to take meds so that he knows and understands that he's going to be executed is a separate issue.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:13 pm to REG861
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Posted by REG861
Not sure why you've interviewed the innocent guys who've been released but I'd enjoy comparing notes in a sense. I'm a forensic psychologist and work with guys like the subject of this post every day.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:14 pm to Paluka
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I like you as a poster here.
Thanks man
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However, in this case he was found legally sane at the time of the offense. As such, he's guilty and was sentenced to death. End of story.
I understand that, I just think it's a little gratuitous at this point due to his severe condition. Also, I do support the death penalty. What worries me is those blatant miscarriages of justice (not saying this is necessarily one) run the risk of painting the entire death penalty in a bad light and discrediting it, which is why I think it should be used somewhat cautiously.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:24 pm to Zach
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Wrong. There is proof that it deters in cases of certainty and proximity. If the DP means your trial will take 40 years then there is no deterent effect. If you got hung two days after you stole a horse in 1880 it prevented a lot of horse theft.
Show me the proof. Do you have a link to a study or this you just conjecturing? You're just saying stuff and you have no evidence.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:25 pm to Jake88
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et for years you had the Red Banner (Hammer and Sickle) as your avatar. Hmmm.
The USA doesn't need the death penalty. The Soviet Union did.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:27 pm to REG861
I have seen guys who've been on death row for many years develop some serious psychiatric symptoms.
For someone like this guy he could easily become much worse. I've also seen guys like him deliberately stop taking meds so they cannot be executed.
I agree that caution is necessary to make sure everyone clearly understands whether he is fit to be executed (under the law).
For someone like this guy he could easily become much worse. I've also seen guys like him deliberately stop taking meds so they cannot be executed.
I agree that caution is necessary to make sure everyone clearly understands whether he is fit to be executed (under the law).
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:29 pm to Paluka
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Not sure why you've interviewed the innocent guys who've been released but I'd enjoy comparing notes in a sense. I'm a forensic psychologist and work with guys like the subject of this post every day.
I took a post-conviction seminar in law school. We had a pretty impressive line up of guest speakers. It was a fairly eye opening experience. I've gotten pretty interested in the subject.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
Folks in Acadiana may remember the 2013 murders committed by Wilbert Thibodeaux in Charenton.
Here is an article that summarizes what has transpired.
Thibodeaux killed Eddie Lyons, a 79 year old man, in his home, then set the house on fire to lure police to respond. When they did, he gunned down Chitimacha Tribal officer Rick Riggenbach and shot two other St. Mary Parish officers.
Thibodeaux has since been diagnosed schizophrenic and thus declared unable to assist in his defense so the trial has been indefinitely postponed pending treatment.
He didn't set the house on fire to conceal evidence of his crime. He was walking around in front of the property with a loaded shotgun waiting for LEOs to arrive and when they did, he shot and killed one of them.
He absolutely knew what he was doing was wrong and had the ability to think through his actions enough to use arson to set a trap for his second victim.
He should absolutely be tried for murder and sentenced to death for what he did and I find it unfortunate that in all likelihood there would be posters on here who would advocate for this wretched piece of shite, claiming he deserves clemency.
Here is an article that summarizes what has transpired.
Thibodeaux killed Eddie Lyons, a 79 year old man, in his home, then set the house on fire to lure police to respond. When they did, he gunned down Chitimacha Tribal officer Rick Riggenbach and shot two other St. Mary Parish officers.
Thibodeaux has since been diagnosed schizophrenic and thus declared unable to assist in his defense so the trial has been indefinitely postponed pending treatment.
He didn't set the house on fire to conceal evidence of his crime. He was walking around in front of the property with a loaded shotgun waiting for LEOs to arrive and when they did, he shot and killed one of them.
He absolutely knew what he was doing was wrong and had the ability to think through his actions enough to use arson to set a trap for his second victim.
He should absolutely be tried for murder and sentenced to death for what he did and I find it unfortunate that in all likelihood there would be posters on here who would advocate for this wretched piece of shite, claiming he deserves clemency.
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