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Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:07 am
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On Wednesday night, barring an intervention of common decency, common sense and common compassion, the state of Texas will execute a man who scarcely comprehends who he is, let alone the reason why he will be put to death.
The man is Scott Panetti, a hopelessly unhinged paranoid schizophrenic. No one disputes that in 1992, Panetti gunned down the mother and father of his estranged wife in cold blood. No one disputes that this was a horrendous wastage of innocent human life.
Nor does anyone dispute that at the time, Panetti was enmeshed in deep psychosis. His madness was no secret. He had been hospitalized 14 times before the killings.
Shameful. "Small government" red staters at their law and order best
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:09 am to Big Scrub TX
To save the taxpayers some $$$
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:10 am to Big Scrub TX
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Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
Probably cause he has it coming and should have already been killed decades ago.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:11 am to Big Scrub TX
I think you should list the political parties of the members of the Board of Pardons and Parole before you lump a whole group together in this case
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:12 am to Big Scrub TX
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in 1992, Panetti gunned down the mother and father of his estranged wife in cold blood
That's why. What's the problem, exactly?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:13 am to constant cough
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Probably cause he has it coming and should have already been killed decades ago.
That is your vision for the state handling a cripplingly sick individual? Just kill them?
And you people have wrung your hands so much over supposed "death panels".
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:14 am to Big Scrub TX
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you people
Whatever do you mean?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:15 am to Big Scrub TX
I see we define eager much differently, eager would have been a 1992 execution. Looks to me like they have been dragging arse for over 20 years. Get your shite together Texas
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:15 am to Big Scrub TX
Meh. I have little heartburn with this. He had his day in court. He did the crimes.
To a certain degree, psychological symptoms can be magnified. I don't want to sound overly harsh, but society doesn't lose anything if this guy is executed. I do think a scientific analysis of mental illness should be done in death penalty cases, but it will become the "get away with murder free" card if we let it.
Multiple medical experts concluded he was malingering to avoid being executed. He also voluntarily stopped taking his medication at times - if he did that, knowing his condition, he probably was in poor compliance (again, a voluntary act) before his psychotic breaks when he committed the crimes.
In any event, this has gone to SCOTUS at least 2 times. It's over, Panetti's done.
To a certain degree, psychological symptoms can be magnified. I don't want to sound overly harsh, but society doesn't lose anything if this guy is executed. I do think a scientific analysis of mental illness should be done in death penalty cases, but it will become the "get away with murder free" card if we let it.
Multiple medical experts concluded he was malingering to avoid being executed. He also voluntarily stopped taking his medication at times - if he did that, knowing his condition, he probably was in poor compliance (again, a voluntary act) before his psychotic breaks when he committed the crimes.
In any event, this has gone to SCOTUS at least 2 times. It's over, Panetti's done.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:15 am to Big Scrub TX
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That is your vision for the state handling a cripplingly sick individual? Just kill them?
And you people have wrung your hands so much over supposed "death panels".
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:16 am to SSpaniel
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That's why. What's the problem, exactly?
Did you even read the article? At the time, he was already crippled with schizophrenia. He had been hospitalized 14 times. These were the acts of a sick person. His ex-wife - the daughter of his victims - has pled for clemency. Perhaps that's because she understands debilitating mental illness and its effects. This wasn't some gang banger who pretended to be crazy at trial. Basically nobody disputes that he is and was extremely mentally ill.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:16 am to Big Scrub TX
Forget actions, evil actions, make a dipshit argument based on perceived IQ 
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:16 am to Big Scrub TX
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you people
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:17 am to Big Scrub TX
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Basically nobody disputes that he is and was extremely mentally ill.
Except the aforementioned medical experts who concluded he was malingering to avoid execution.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:18 am to Big Scrub TX
"Cripplingly sick" gets treatment and sympathy when there are no victims.
If it was established that he knew what he was doing at the time of the killings and it was wrong, the M'Naughton rule says he wasn't insane and can be punished for it.
If it was established that he knew what he was doing at the time of the killings and it was wrong, the M'Naughton rule says he wasn't insane and can be punished for it.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:19 am to Ace Midnight
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He had his day in court. He did the crimes.
Right. He was already very sick then.
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To a certain degree, psychological symptoms can be magnified.
What does this mean?
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I don't want to sound overly harsh, but society doesn't lose anything if this guy is executed
I would argue that society always loses something when it emboldens the state to take human life.
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I do think a scientific analysis of mental illness should be done in death penalty cases, but it will become the "get away with murder free" card if we let it.
So he should be executed because of a potential slippery slope situation?
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He also voluntarily stopped taking his medication at times - if he did that, knowing his condition, he probably was in poor compliance (again, a voluntary act) before his psychotic breaks when he committed the crimes.
I suppose if it's that cut and dried. Are you sure it's as simple as "psychotic breaks"?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:20 am to Big Scrub TX
And btw, as another poster indicated, 20 years ain't "eager," sparky.
RA'd for misleading/slanderous thread title, tbh.
RA'd for misleading/slanderous thread title, tbh.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:21 am to Big Scrub TX
Are you for capital punishment in any case?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:21 am to Big Scrub TX
Was due process followed in determining he deserved to be executed? If so, then Texas is just enforcing its laws. Shouldn't states, and the residents of states, be eager to enforce laws they enact?
If the issue is that you think the law is bad, then argue for changing the law. Don't ask that the law be ignored in specific circumstances.
If the issue is that you think the law is bad, then argue for changing the law. Don't ask that the law be ignored in specific circumstances.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:21 am to Big Scrub TX
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That is your vision for the state handling a cripplingly sick individual who gunned down the mother and father of his estranged wife in cold blood? Just kill them?
FIFY, and yep, without a doubt.
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