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re: Why is military spending ignored when its clearly the largest piece?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:02 pm to kingbob
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:02 pm to kingbob
quote:Playing devils advocate here, but the permanent standing military of the size and scale that we maintain and its accompanying "permanent armaments industry" were little more envisioned by the framers than were SS or Medicare. Obviously our modern defense requirements and obligations require a permanent force capable of quickly responding to crises, but what we field and fund year in and year out isn't above examination (I know you weren't suggesting otherwise). I think we can all agree that if we're serious about controlling spending, Defense, SS, and Medicare (probably the three most popular programs in the budget, and also the costliest) have to be front and center.
Because it is one of the few things our federal government does that it's actually supposed to do. Now, don't get me wrong, we need to absolutely cleaver the military budget, but at least there is some Constitutional basis unlike our entitlement programs.
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:02 pm to ballscaster
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quote: military Makes it feel big. quote: Arts Doesn't make it feel big.
Thats just dumb.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:02 pm to fareplay
It's number three but money is spent in wrong places. Number one and two are Medicare and medicade
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:03 pm to Navytiger74
Not sure how you can ethically cut SS.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:03 pm to fareplay
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Come on man, think.
This schtick.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:04 pm to fareplay
It's difficult to get anywhere talking about this without discussing what America's role in the world should be.
I will say, that history has shown that economic power and military power on a global level are usually very intertwined. Very tough to have one without the other.
I will say, that history has shown that economic power and military power on a global level are usually very intertwined. Very tough to have one without the other.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:04 pm to fareplay
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Not sure how you can ethically cut SS.
Not sure how you can ethically deficit spend.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:05 pm to fareplay
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So you choose to believe some information but not others that do not fit your narrative?
No - I weigh all evidence based on the support and credibility of that evidence.
Certainly, you're not a fool to believe that the attack wasn't Al Queda and wasn't directed from the top by Bin Laden?
So, which crazy box are you in? The Saudi Royal family? Bush/Cheney? The Joos? Some combination? I mean, obviously you believe anybody BUT the frickers who actually launched the attack, launched the attack. So who is it? Don't keep me in suspense.
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Who do you think gave them the resource?
Bin Laden's family is worth BILLIONS.
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Come on man, think.
Amen, brother, amen.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:05 pm to fareplay
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fareplay
Dumbfrick.
Defending the US, US citizens, and their interests around the world is an enumerated duty of the federal government in the Constitution. Other federal entities from the Senate all the way down to the lowliest, pale in comparison to our military's efficiency, and efficacy.
Lets start by cutting everything that the federal government is not mandated to do in the Constitution. Should be easy, since by definition these things are unconstitutional! If we do that, and still can't balance the books, then lets take a look at the stuff that the Constitution says is the federal governments job, in order of it's importance to Americans, and their way of life.
Hint: If we get the federal government out of all of the unconstitutional bullshite it has overstepped it's Constitutional bounds with in the last 100 years, what we spend on defense won't be an issue.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:05 pm to fareplay
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Not sure how you can ethically cut SS.
There would have to be a phase-out plan so that people who paid in don't lose their money, but you most certainly can "ethically" cut SS.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:06 pm to fareplay
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Not sure how you can ethically cut SS.
Gradually raise the retirement age. Raise disability requirements and/or severely crack down on what defines disability. Change COLA formulas or annual raises. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Now sure how you can ethically cut the military.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:06 pm to fareplay
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Not sure how you can ethically cut SS.
Well you either cut it or it just collapses regardless. Might as well get out in front of it.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:06 pm to fareplay
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Not sure how you can ethically cut SS.
It's an insurance program, not a defined benefit pension plan. What are your questions?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:07 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Very easily? why wouldnt you be able to ethically cut military?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:08 pm to fareplay
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Military is forced welfare.
Solid.
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:09 pm to fareplay
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Very easily? why wouldnt you be able to ethically cut military?
If by cut you mean reduce spending, sure.
If by cut you mean completely eliminate, you can't without a Constitutional amendment. And good luck with that one.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:09 pm to fareplay
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Very easily? why wouldnt you be able to ethically cut military?
Precisely my point. Why wouldn't you be able to ethically cut SS?
It's a luxury for which we've voted and is entrenched in our political system, just like the global military we currently have.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:09 pm to Navytiger74
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Playing devils advocate here, but the permanent standing military of the size and scale that we maintain and its accompanying "permanent armaments industry" were little more envisioned by the framers than were SS or Medicare.
This is a partially good point. I think to the degree our involvement in "entangling affairs" drives our military spending, it should be examined with a jaundiced eye.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:10 pm to Navytiger74
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Playing devils advocate here, but the permanent standing military of the size and scale that we maintain and its accompanying "permanent armaments industry" were little more envisioned by the framers than were SS or Medicare.
Maybe we should punt everyone over to the military mega-thread
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:10 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Luxury? Are you sure you understand SS?
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