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re: Why is abortion so important to the Left?

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Posted by Pandy Fackler
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:38 pm to
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Seems like climate change has close to equal footing even if it's not talked about as much.




Has Herschel Walker written any checks to Green Peace?
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:39 pm to
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There are many who claim the name of "Christian" who reject God's Word in favor of their sin. There are many homosexuals who claim to be Christian. Many serial adulterers, fornicators, thieves, etc. who reject what God has said so that their sins may be held onto. Atheism isn't the only form of rejection of God.
As I said, this man is a devout Christian
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:40 pm to
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Because Dems are all about children.....either fricking them or killing them.




Of the two, Herschel Walker is for killing children. No word on whether he likes to frick them first.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:42 pm to
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Pandy Fackler


Boy, you're getting a lot of mileage our of Walker, aren't you?
Posted by Lou Pai
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:42 pm to
And I would disagree as the state has an interest in protecting innocent life. The innocent baby doesn't deserve to have its skull caved in and brains vacuumed down a sink just because one or both of his or her parents is a piece of shite.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:44 pm to
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Correct. And you're arrogant enough to believe the Christian myth. You think so highly of yourself that you think a deity willingly became human to make you feel better about the bad shite you've done.
Am I arrogant for believing that gravity keeps my feet on the ground? According to you, belief in something makes one arrogant. Or, is it a just a belief that you don't hold, yourself?

I don't live in fear or guilt. There's no reason for me to do so, because I have a savior who has removed my guilt.

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No. It's true. Period.
It's not entirely. Period.

Creation testifies to God's existence and power. It's a knowledge that must be suppressed by sin, and it is. Everyone is religious. Some call it "spiritual". Others redirect their religiosity towards humanistic pursuits. Everyone worships, it's just a matter of what we worship.

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Christianity isn't sustainable without promoting fear and shame.
Fear is natural. Guilt is natural. Humanity is naturally "moral", or has a sense of morality due to being image-bearers of God. We know that we do "bad" things, and everyone is looking for redemption. Christianity provides the truth about where morality comes from, where our guilt comes from, and how we can have our guilt truly removed through the blood of Jesus Christ.

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It isn't compelling to "anyone who isn't buying what you're selling." Fear and shame don't work on everyone.
It's compelling to those who belong to God.

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There is no such thing as objective morality.
There is. Everyone recognizes it and lives accordingly, even if they don't put 2 and 2 together to state such a thing.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 4:46 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:48 pm to
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As I said, this man is a devout Christian
I'm sure he is. There are many true Christians who still reject God's Word in certain respects for a time. And there are even more nominal Christians who do amazing things in the name of God and do not belong to Jesus Christ (Matt. 7:21-23)
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:49 pm to
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I'm sure he is. There are many true Christians who still reject God's Word in certain respects for a time
Which part of God's Word is he rejecting?
Posted by LSU4Life2021
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:51 pm to
Because it appeals to a section of their overall base and by supporting it, they continue to cultivate the votes of that segment.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71662 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:53 pm to
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And I would disagree as the state has an interest in protecting innocent life. The innocent baby doesn't deserve to have its skull caved in and brains vacuumed down a sink just because one or both of his or her parents is a piece of shite.


I'm aware that you think the government should enforce your brand of morality. I've made that point already.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:54 pm to
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Which part of God's Word is he rejecting?
If he's truly "pro-choice", then he is rejecting or distorting the Bible's teaching on several things: God's character; God's hatred of sin; God's commands against murder; and God's teaching that mankind is made in His image, just to name a few.

Abortion is incompatible with the Bible.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:54 pm to
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Why is abortion so important to the Left? by L.A.

I think the answer to any question like this has to do with core principles.

Thomas Sowell talks about these differences and he uses a handful of terms. But the common theme is one core philosophy is more utopian while the other accepts the natural order view

So the utopian view is that some form of population control is a means of obtaining a more desirable utopia. They know the demographics of who aborts their own babies, and this population is the undesirables. So the challenge is how do you build a base of reliable voters who tend toward their own group self destruction as a result of selfish decision making?

The act itself is inherently selfish, so you frame it as a woman’s rights issue.

The issue is consistent with a leftist leaning, but it succeeds as an issue because the motivation taps into human selfishness. The word choice is simply a linguistic tool to falsely suggest that terminating life is actually a form of freedom.

After reading this explanation, our board’s leftists might be tempted to try to debunk it by claiming capitalism, more favored by the right, is also selfish. But they are wrong. Capitalism favors what is best for the group, because it rewards those who please the masses.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:55 pm to
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If he's truly "pro-choice", then he is rejecting or distorting the Bible's teaching on several things: God's character; God's hatred of sin; God's commands against murder; and God's teaching that mankind is made in His image, just to name a few.

Abortion is incompatible with the Bible.
Could you be more specific? Can you quote a particular passage for example?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71662 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:57 pm to
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According to you, belief in something makes one arrogant.


Incorrect. It isn't merely the belief that makes you arrogant.

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It's not entirely. Period.


Don't be boring.

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Others redirect their religiosity towards humanistic pursuits. Everyone worships, it's just a matter of what we worship


Oh bullshite. This is something religious people say to rationalize why others don't believe as they believe.

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Fear is natural. Guilt is natural. 


Sure, but not in the bogeyman who will send me to hell if I don't adhere to your man-made moraility. That's decidedly irrational.

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It's compelling to those who belong to God.


Sure, but not to "anyone who isn't buying what you're selling."

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There is.


No, there isn't. What you're trying to uphold as objective morality is nothing but subjective morality from a different source.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41675 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:19 pm to
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Could you be more specific? Can you quote a particular passage for example?
Sure.

God's character
Speak to all the congregation of the people of Israel and say to them, You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy. -Lev. 19:2

But as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct -1 Pet. 1:15

God's hatred of sin
You are of purer eyes than to behold evil, And cannot look on wickedness. -Hab. 1:13

But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear. -Isa. 59:2

God's commands against murder
You shall not murder -Exod. 23:13 / Deut. 5:17

For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law -Jam. 2:11

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him -1 John 3:15

and God's teaching that mankind is made in His image, just to name a few.
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. -Gen. 1:27

Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man. -Gen. 9:6

In addition
The Bible teaches that God values life from the womb and that a child is alive even before birth (Jer. 1:5; Judges 13; Luke 1:39-45).

Abortion is the purposeful killing of a life that God has placed in the womb of the mother. It is murder, and against God's law.
Posted by Squid
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:32 pm to
So that nobody has to take responsibility for wh0ring around. Lack of responsibility is their hallmark.
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:34 pm to
Lots of them just hate anything orderly.
They want to do as they please no consequences.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:34 pm to
dims have dark souls.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:38 pm to
Inner resentment.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99001 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:38 pm to
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Because Dems are all about children.....either fricking them or killing them.


Don’t they realize that by killing babies they are reducing their future fricking supplies?
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