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re: Why I think Trump is in this until regime change
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:41 am to Penrod
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:41 am to Penrod
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The last thing these guys want is to be staring across the Persian Gulf at a vengeful Iran.
I mostly agree with you. But they've been staring at a vengeful Iran for decades already... albeit they may not have been the direct target of the vengeance. But they still know they can easily become a target.
I have no issue with stepping back, to an extent, and letting other countries with a dog in the fight take on a more direct or ledership role in controlling Iran.
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:44 am to AUCom96
quote:They won't have to though, that's the point. When they sweep the midterms there will be no reason to jail him. He won't be a threat to their agenda anymore. They'll impeach, hang him up at every turn and just run out the clock.
He defined his legacy the second he started this idiotic war. The GOP had an uphill battle in the midterms prior. Now it's hard to see how it's not a guaranteed sweep. They'll impeach him again and this time, they may get conviction.
They tried to arrest him to stop him last time because they knew they couldn't do it democratically. With his war - he's going to hand them power, they don't have to take it.
quote:There has to be something. Doing this now was absolutely insanity. Invading Iran with gas prices the highest they've been in 4 years a few months before a midterm?
I think Netanyahu has the goods on the guy because this war is political suicide.
Now he's going to put boots on the ground and fuel is going to get more expensive right before summer travel spikes.
It's demoralizing and he's hurting all of us that really believed in America first.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:45 am to RFK
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There will be no regime change. I can guarantee you the administration planned on it, but it was a gamble and they lost.
If you're right, then I still don't think it's a "loss". It would be an incomplete victory at worse.
Iran is severely weakened. This allows neighboring countries to better handle things themselves. If this doesn't work, then the world is still a much better place for at least the next decade.
In my view, we've already achieved regime change. Even a new leader who was aligned with the old leadership "can" turn out to be a much different leader. This all remains to be seen. None of us have enough rock solid factual information to form meaningful opinions on the matter.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:46 am to Powerman
quote:So just every Muslim country that's ever existed ever. I'm sure this one will be different after we bomb it and kill a bunch of people. I'm sure they'll be excited to partner with us then....
Different people. Same hostilities.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:46 am to Penrod
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Why I think Trump is in this until regime change
Then what?
Who's to say that whoever emerges won't become even more hardline once they get into power?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:47 am to Penrod
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I think Trump is in this until regime change
Trump and Rubio have both stated that there has already been regime change.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:49 am to mule74
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Trump and Rubio have both stated that there has already been regime change.
Which is stupid, right?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:49 am to Solo Cam
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There has to be something.
Trump has a short attention span and will listen to people in his admin give him terrible advice and he jumps on it. Been a thing since his 2016 campaign, but you REALLY saw it in the aftermath of the 2020 election.
The question for me is who sold him on each bad policy idea.
The birthright citizenship stuff is clearly Stephen Miller stupidity. Going to be an incredibly huge L and will do the exact opposite of what they want and solidify BRC moving forward.
Tariffs? Who told him to use the wrong statutes to implement his tariffs?
Iran war? Rubio? Hegseth? I have to imagine it was more than just Bibi
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:50 am to Penrod
I’d like to see a kargh island Buc-ee’s as much as the next guy but there’s a ton of flex in wrapping up and pulling out.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:50 am to Solo Cam
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It's demoralizing and he's hurting all of us that really believed in America first.
What do you mean by America first?
Do you beleive we should retreat from geo politics which will guarantee that
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fuel is going to get more expensive
Permanently.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:52 am to deuceiswild
The objective is to leave Iran a failed state that Israel can control like Syria and Lebanon. Israel’s neighbors in the Middle East have two choices, either expressly or impliedly ally with Israel (Saudi, Egypt, Jordan) or get destroyed by Israel’s proxy the United States (Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya). Any country that Israel considers a threat will eventually be destroyed by the United States taxpayer. This is the objective reality of the geopolitical situation.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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The birthright citizenship stuff is clearly Stephen Miller stupidity. Going to be an incredibly huge L and will do the exact opposite of what they want and solidify BRC moving forward.
Its such settled law, I'm unsure that there is any impact other than public opinion.
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Tariffs? Who told him to use the wrong statutes to implement his tariffs?
Thats a hell of a question...
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Iran war? Rubio? Hegseth? I have to imagine it was more than just Bibi
They were pulling the North Korean Nuclear sprint. Sometimes you just are forced into a bad hand.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:58 am to Solo Cam
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I'm at a loss for words, but you really should educate yourself more about the populous of Iran. It's not full of ambitious young men trying to climbs corporate ladder.
It's full of men who follow a religion, religiously.
Anyone thinks that regime change will magically bring about a US and western aligned Iran needs to watch Sally Field in "Not Without My Daughter".
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:59 am to Narax
quote:You gonna do the Democrat game now?
What do you mean by America first?
You know what I mean by America first - No more new wars in the Middle East, reduce govement spending, pass a voter ID law, actually use the department of justice to prosecute and denaturalize these theirs who are stealing billions of tax dollars, if you want to bomb someone bomb the Cartels who poison our citizens.
New Orleans is on the brink of bankruptcy but we have no problem sending billions to kill little girls in a school in Iran. American citizens losing their jobs or being furloughed but Israel is more important. That's what the frick I mean snd you know it.
quote:Retreat from geopolitics is an awfully neocon way of saying it but let me be clear and why don't you argue me instead of creating an argument for me to argue -
Do you beleive we should retreat from geo politics which will guarantee that
I do not want to fight any middle eastern wars for regime change. It is not going to work. You want to do the bunker buster strategic hits - fine. Support Israel with weapons and money - fine. But there are 70,000 marines on the way over there and we've already blown up a school full of children and clearly there is not a populous willing to fight for democracy.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 7:03 am
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:04 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:Or just not be a fricking retard.
Anyone thinks that regime change will magically bring about a US and western aligned Iran needs to watch Sally Field in "Not Without My Daughter".
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:04 am to deuceiswild
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This allows neighboring countries to better handle things themselves.
Most people on this board seem to be unaware that the citizens of the UAE, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia can't even clean their own bedrooms. They can't mop a floor, hammer a nail, or wash a dish. Never in their lives have they gotten their hands dirty. They can't just fly in planeloads of Bangladeshis to "handle things" with Iran.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:58 am to Mo Jeaux
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Which is stupid, right?
Yes.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 8:14 am to Penrod
Trump will sacrifice as many American lives and dollars as Netanyahu tells him.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:42 pm to Solo Cam
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You gonna do the Democrat game now?
No, lets see how the phrase matches beliefs.
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No more new wars in the Middle East
Even at the cost of Iran having a Nuclear Bomb?
They were obviously trying to get one, they obviously killed many Americans in Iraq and all over the middle east.
How is allowing Iran to further threaten American Interests putting "America first"
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reduce govement spending
It's entrenched, much of it is required by law.
DOGE was an attempt, the first serious attempt in a while.
They cut a lot of Foreign aid and kept more money here.
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pass a voter ID law
Agreed
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actually use the department of justice to prosecute and denaturalize these theirs who are stealing billions of tax dollars
The Democrats have tried to stop this at every turn... But you blame republicans?
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, if you want to bomb someone bomb the Cartels who poison our citizens.
So you were pro smoking the "Fishing boats"
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New Orleans is on the brink of bankruptcy
Local problem, should not bail them out.
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we have no problem sending billions to kill little girls in a school in Iran
Iran put that school next to a military site.
War is brutal, when someone sprints for a nuke, they run the risk of war.
Iran had every chance to settle before the shooting started, they wanted a bomb and went dead ahead.
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American citizens losing their jobs or being furloughed
Which gets way worse if we go isolationist.
Do you know how much the US economy depends on trade? How many jobs.
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but Israel is more important.
It was a bad hand, it was either let Iran get a nuke or not.
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That's what the frick I mean snd you know it.
I know that most of that has nothing to do with "America first" It's America weakest"
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Retreat from geopolitics is an awfully neocon way of saying it but let me be clear and why don't you argue me instead of creating an argument for me to argue
Because you ranting America first is not an argument it's a slogan that signifies little America, Isolationist America.
Putting America first in Jobs, Trade, Security involves being globally active.
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I do not want to fight any middle eastern wars for regime change. It is not going to work.
It's War or Nukes... and then War later.
You don't get a choice.
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You want to do the bunker buster strategic hits - fine. Support Israel with weapons and money - fine. But there are 70,000 marines on the way over there and we've already blown up a school full of children and clearly there is not a populous willing to fight for democracy.
See I agree with you there, we should not get into a land war there, and I don't think we will.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:48 pm to NC_Tigah
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Regardless, regime was not even prioritized in the run up.
Agreed. Regime didn’t matter as a priority.
I do think we may have underestimated their missile arsenal and drone volume however
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