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re: Why have Trump, Rudy, et al waited so long to publicly release their evidence?

Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:45 am to
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:45 am to
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More like it's legitimate because it was legal.


“Where’s the proof?”
“Here’s some video proof of vote harvesting.”
“Vote harvesting is legitimate.”
“It’s actually not in Georgia.”
“Well, I don’t give a shite about it.”
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:54 am to
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One state's policy affecting another's welfare, commerce, or rights.

via Compact of the states that they agreed to.

Originally I said

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The problem is that there is no legal or procedural way for Texas to create this claim.


The water rights case DID have that avenue, via the compact.

No such avenue exists with election issues.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:54 am to
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Allowing a path to illegality is not evidence of that path being used for illegality.
Not what I asked.
If you prefer not to answer, just say so. Please don't insult your intelligence, or mine, with the obvious dodges though.

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Do you believe that had Dane and Milwaukee Counties been forced to abide WI election law, like every other (red) county in the state, the outcome in WI would have been the same?
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Do you believe the uneven curing of Dem vs GOP votes in PA affected vote totals?
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You'd have to show me the evidence to judge.
You need me to pull the court cases for you? Come on now. That's sad.

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Assuming you can manufacture evidence within the sphere of these questions, Why didn't Rudy rely on it in his defense?
(1) No need to "manufacture evidence." The Freeman admission been posted, linked, and addressed ad nauseum in threads here.
(2) I have no idea what Rudy relied upon or what evidence was denied as admissible by the judge. I have seen his characterization, and that of the media/plaintiff counsel. The two are near polar opposites
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:56 am to
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“Where’s the proof?”
“Here’s some video proof of vote harvesting.”
“Vote harvesting is legitimate.”
“It’s actually not in Georgia.”


Where is the proof of vote harvesting in GA, and why didn't Rudy rely on it for his defense?

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“Well, I don’t give a shite about it.”

Not true. I said where it's legitimate, it's not fraud.

If it occurred in a jurisdiction where it wasn't legitimate, then it could be fraud. But to determine that, we need evidence...Rudy has been given an opportunity to present this evidence and he declined and stated his claims against Ruby were without merit or truth.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:56 am to
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No such avenue exists with election issues.
The Compact of the States is the Constitution.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:59 am to
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Not what I asked.

My response is true regardless of my response.

It's an irrelevant question.

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You need me to pull the court cases for you?

This is literally the point of this thread.

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(1) No need to "manufacture evidence." The Freeman admission been posted, linked, and addressed ad nauseum in threads here.

And Rudy didn't rely on it, why?

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(2) I have no idea what Rudy relied upon or what evidence was denied as admissible by the judge.

None. Rudy himself offered a statement saying his claims against Ruby were false and met the definition of defamation (and intentional infliction of emotional distress). He did this on his own.

In discovery he had all the opportunity in the world to exchange his evidence, and he did (could?) not.

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I have seen his characterization, and that of the media/plaintiff counsel. The two are near polar opposites

Rudy is lying.

He filed this on his own prior to any motion in limine

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:03 am to
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The Compact of the States is the Constitution.

But it's not. Not for this analysis.

As for the standing issue, The USSC has ruled, " yet beyond that it necessarily involves the availability of another forum where there is jurisdiction over the named parties, where the issues tendered may be litigated, and where appropriate relief may be had"

Clearly the individual states (which have domain over elections) are the jurisdiction where the issues should be litigated and appropriate relief may be had.
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 10:04 am
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
27515 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:21 am to
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2. There were no “mysterious” dumps of ballots.
False. 100% complete BS! After inexplicable total pauses in tallying, Biden took immediate huge jumps in vote tallies in each instance when counts resumed.



Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
57453 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:24 am to
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Afterall, it was the inexplicable total pause in tallying during the night which was the anomaly, not the fact a night time tally was ongoing

No anomaly there. That's the way it's supposed to work. If the election is close enough they will drag out the last of the absentee and military votes and count them.
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False. 100% complete BS! After inexplicable total pauses in tallying, Biden took immediate huge jumps in vote tallies in each instance when counts resumed.

Yeah? No shite. The Dems leaned into absentee voting. I implied in my post that they were almost certainly cheating. It was no surprise that these ballots favored Biden.

Trump and his A-Team have had ample opportunity to prove their charges and they have spectacularly failed - in court. You can trash talk on message boards until the cows come home, but when they come home is in court where facts talk and bullshite walks.

The actual cheating was in almost impossible to prove manipulation of ACTUAL absentee voting. Trump failed because instead of doing the very laborious work of finding the "2,000 mules" interviewing them, and deposing them in court, they ejaculated charges of ballot dumps and Dominion software manipulations, all of which are fairly easy to prove if they were true...but they aren't.
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 10:30 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:25 am to
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Clearly the individual states (which have domain over elections) are the jurisdiction where the issues should be litigated
It was a NATIONAL election!
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:38 am to
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Yeah? No shite. The Dems leaned into absentee voting.
NO!
Were that the case the pattern would look like this:



not this:


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:40 am to
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It was a NATIONAL election!

And each state has the Constitutional authority to run the elections as they see fit. Any issues with an election should be litigated in that state. Texas trying to argue that is has regulatory veto over how (insert state) runs its elections is plainly unconstitutional. That is a large reason why there isn't even an avenue to permit TX to do this (hence, no standing).
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
38410 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:50 am to
D'Souza probably needs proof that this harvesting was done in GA? Affidavits or statements from people involved who witnessed it would shut this all down.

Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10870 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:30 am to
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OK, so then why discuss anything, if you can just invalidate stuff at your sole discretion?


This is an odd question. The same odd question could be asked of those who believe the judgement of a court is the end all be all.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10870 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:34 am to
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You want me to give you a hand in moving the goalposts?


Hes an interesting guy to debate with. The last thing hell probably ever do is actually give his real opinion about what a problem is and how it can be solved. In the end, being a clever arguer on the internet doesnt make one actually right
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:55 am to
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Hes an interesting guy to debate with.


He doesn't "debate".


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The last thing hell probably ever do is actually give his real opinion about what a problem is and how it can be solved.


That's called "trolling"

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In the end, being a clever arguer on the internet doesnt make one actually right



Again, he's not nearly as "clever" as he claims to be.

He's a functioning Autistic at best.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:56 am to
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. The same odd question could be asked of those who believe the judgement of a court is the end all be all.

Within our system, which is based in law, it's kind of important.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:58 am to
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The last thing hell probably ever do is actually give his real opinion about what a problem is and how it can be solved.

This is not true.

The problem: we have been denied access to the evidence promised.

Solution: release the evidence so we can all consume and analyze it.

Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:58 am to
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Within our system, which is based in law, it's kind of important.




But the Courts get it wrong all the time.

You're just bootlicking at this point because it fits your narrative.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10870 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:58 am to
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That's called "trolling"


I cant really disagree
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