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re: Why have Trump, Rudy, et al waited so long to publicly release their evidence?

Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:00 pm to
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But the Courts get it wrong all the time.

Having the best system possible doesn't make it perfect.

He wasn't arguing that courts can get it wrong. His argument invalidated the system entirely.

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You're just bootlicking at this point

Asking for evidence?

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because it fits your narrative.

Yes, my narrative is believing in evidence and reality. I've never shied away from that.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:00 pm to
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each state has the Constitutional authority to run the elections
So your argument is that states needn’t abide with the Constitution in appointing presidential electors? That’s a novel argument.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:02 pm to
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So your argument i

This is neither mine nor an argument. I'm stating the law of the United States.

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states needn’t abide with the Constitution in appointing presidential electors

I never said that.

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That’s a novel argument.

And one that doesn't exist.

Posted by scottydoesntknow
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:02 pm to
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Within our system, which is based in law, it's kind of important.


Then why are you here discussing Trump? Why not let the courts decide. Why does it matter trying to persuade others on the internet?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:07 pm to
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Then why are you here discussing Trump?

He's involved in multiple litigations that should be solved with him producing this evidence.

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Why not let the courts decide.

Courts have already started to decide. Those promising all this evidence are not doing well, which is why I'm curious why they aren't using it to defend themselves.

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Why does it matter trying to persuade others on the internet?

Why does what matter, specifically?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:09 pm to
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Then why are you here discussing Trump?


The sooner you see that you're "debating" a mentally ill person who is stuck in a loop, the sooner you'll know to walk away...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:09 pm to
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The sooner you see that you're "debating" a mentally ill person who is stuck in a loop,


wut?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:09 pm to
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I never said that.
Oh?
Well let’s see, you’re saying states have no argument that an unconstitutionality elected POTUS can negatively affect them. At least not as much as water rights.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:05 pm to
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The sooner you see that you're "debating" a mentally ill person who is stuck in a loop, the sooner you'll know to walk away...


haha noted
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:06 pm to
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Well let’s see, you’re saying states have no argument that an unconstitutionality elected POTUS can negatively affect them.


I never said that either

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:18 pm to
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I never said that either
See, that's where the """Standing""" argument falls flat. We are not talking about "interfering" with a state electing a governor. By engaging in unconstitutional electioneering, we are talking about one state doing more damage to another than a simple water rights dispute. Texas was specifically damaged.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:22 pm to
You are mixing up procedural issues like standing with issue relating to the merits of the case.

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states have no argument that an unconstitutionality elected POTUS can negatively affect them.

Argument about the merits

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states needn’t abide with the Constitution in appointing presidential electors

Argument about the merits

I haven't commented about the merits at all. Standing is a procedural issue.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:37 pm to
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Ruby basically admitted everything Rudy accused her of, and she did so on tape, in a police station, the whole situation is fairly quizzical.
A couple of Trump campaign operatives threatened Freeman with being arrested before she gave the statement.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:40 pm to
Don’t quote me incorrectly, you dumb cünt. Get back in the kitchen.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:44 pm to
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Having the best system possible doesn't make it perfect.


And because it is imperfect we are allowed to criticize it and the gatekeepers of that system who so often abuse it.

This is such a case.

These cases against Trump are purely Political in nature with the intent of affecting the upcoming election.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:46 pm to
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And because it is imperfect we are allowed to criticize it

Sure. He invalidated it, ad hoc, in terms of this discussion. That's beyond criticism.

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These cases against Trump are purely Political in nature with the intent of affecting the upcoming election.

Cool. For this post I will agree fully. It still doesn't change the question:

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Why have Trump, Rudy, et al waited so long to publicly release their evidence?

Posted by texridder
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:47 pm to
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False. 100% complete BS! After inexplicable total pauses in tallying, Biden took immediate huge jumps in vote tallies in each instance when counts resumed.
You post this without ever providing a source

Also you don't seem to acknowledge that there is a difference between counting and reporting.

Do you think they reported after every 10,000 votes were counted?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:50 pm to
They used to report by precinct (which are fewer than 10,000). So the short answer is, yes.

The processing of mail-in votes as a separate entity in centralized locations allowed them to process hundreds of thousands of votes in batch. It enabled fraud. (And it slowed the count when they argued for centralizing the count for efficiency.)
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:54 pm to
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Standing is a procedural issue.
as it was in Georgia ... until it wasn't. In both instances, it was an excuse. As I've previously contended, Texas v. Pennsylvania was the worst SCOTUS decision since Dred Scott.
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:56 pm to
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Don’t quote me incorrectly, you dumb cünt. Get back in the kitchen.
Heh, dumbass. I copied and pasted what I posted from one of your posts.

Are you ashamed of what you posted, or more likely, usimg this bullshite post to keep from having to actually respond?
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