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Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:50 am to Wade Garrett
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it boggles the mind why these so-called conservatives love Putin so much
Too simplistic reading of the situation. Conservative support for Putin is limited to the current Russia Ukraine conflict. Zelenskyy will keep the conflict going as long as we keeping sending money. He and his pals are getting rich.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:07 am to Grinder
Who is pro Putin and how are they expressing this bias?
This article mentions ONE person and then links him to "many ultra conservatives" without any further support.
Is calling Zelensky a dictator the same as Pro Putin?
Is suspecting corruption and kickbacks as part of this scheme Pro-Putin?
Is saying that Ukraine will need to cede some land to Russia (unless the US puts boots on the ground, this was always going to be the outcome) Pro-Putin?
Negotiations to end the war is not the same thing as supporting Putin.
Read that last line again.
This article mentions ONE person and then links him to "many ultra conservatives" without any further support.
Is calling Zelensky a dictator the same as Pro Putin?
Is suspecting corruption and kickbacks as part of this scheme Pro-Putin?
Is saying that Ukraine will need to cede some land to Russia (unless the US puts boots on the ground, this was always going to be the outcome) Pro-Putin?
Negotiations to end the war is not the same thing as supporting Putin.
Read that last line again.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:11 am
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:09 am to TigerBaitOohHaHa
I'd say a President who publicly states he won't do anything in the event of a "minor" Russian incursion is Pro-Putin. But he wasn't a Republican
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:11 am to TigerBaitOohHaHa
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s calling Zelensky a dictator the same as Pro Putin?
How about this one: is calling Zelensky a dictator because you were influenced by talking points disseminated from Russia (or Russian-adjacent content creators, whether intentional or not) the same as being pro Putin?
I ask because I don't think any serious person considers Zelensky a dictator, but I know the talking point was created (by someone) and circulated in MAGA echo chambers to create that NPC talking point.
Finding out what role Putin had in that scenario above, if any, would go a long way to answering your question.
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Is saying that Ukraine will need to cede some land to Russia (unless the US puts boots on the ground, this was always going to be the outcome) Pro-Putin?
Not in the abstract, but what is your commentary on Putin's aggression leading to this scenario?
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Negotiations to end the war is not the same thing as supporting Putin.
As a general statement, no.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:13 am to Grinder
We are pro Mind your own business, fight your own wars at your own risk, we say NO to Globalist!!!!
Globalist wanted to mess with Russia...
we're not onboard with that plan
questions?
Globalist wanted to mess with Russia...
we're not onboard with that plan
questions?
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:13 am to ljhog
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Too simplistic reading of the situation. Conservative support for Putin is limited to the current Russia Ukraine conflict.
Correct.
Neanderthals use the "putin lover" moniker simply because we dont want to be involved in the war.
Its very basic intelligence, and these people are not likely to be able to understand the reality.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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How about this one: is calling Zelensky a dictator because you were influenced by talking points disseminated from Russia
What do you call someone who cancels elections so they can remain in power? Y'all call Trump a dictator daily with zero basis, but when a leader actually cancels elections to remain in power he becomes some sort of liberal hero. Its baffling to me.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:16 am to GeauxBurrow312
If that is your argument, I guess the US is “allied” with Muslims too since we support Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan. Or maybe you are just an idiot who doesn’t understand powerful countries have global relations. Russia literally invaded Chechnya and set up the current government to stop Islamic hardliners there by the way so that’s a straw man.
Go pray in front of an abortion clinic in the EU and one in Russia and see which country arrests you dumbass.
Go pray in front of an abortion clinic in the EU and one in Russia and see which country arrests you dumbass.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:18 am to TigerBaitOohHaHa
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Y'all call Trump a dictator
I have literally never even implied Trump is a dictator
Stop projecting with straw man arguments.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:19 am to TigerBaitOohHaHa
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How about this one: is calling Zelensky a dictator because you were influenced by talking points disseminated from Russia
What do you call someone who cancels elections so they can remain in power? Y'all call Trump a dictator daily with zero basis, but when a leader actually cancels elections to remain in power he becomes some sort of liberal hero. Its baffling to me.
Not only did he cancel elections, he imprisoned his political rivals and murdered journalists.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:20 am to Grinder
I don’t like Russia or Putin, but I’m sick of seeing the U.S. pay to keep Ukraine going. Ukraine isn’t our responsibility. We have enough problems at home that need our attention and resources.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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I ask because I don't think any serious person considers Zelensky a dictator,
This is just false. Many “serious” people have questioned why Ukraine refuses to hold elections when many other countries at war have done this in the past. You just disagree with them because you are an autistic neocon who likes getting other people killed in wars.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:21 am
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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How about this one: is calling Zelensky a dictator because you were influenced by talking points disseminated from Russia
Lord, you've bought into the shitty mainstream propaganda.
Both Putin and Z are dictators. Only one is trying to bully America into hundreds of billions of dollars for a war that we're not supposed to be involved with.\
Folks with a social IQ above room temperature understand you can think both are bad, but one is costing us a frick ton of money for a war that cant be won without our troops on the ground.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:21 am to Grinder
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I just don’t get it.
Deep down - most honorable people use the same logic when faced with a really tough, but absolutely unavoidable, option.
Choose that which is least evil. (however your moral code defines it)
Right now it is a tough choice.
I still put Putin's Russia on the 'evil' side of the scale, but just barely = not nearly as heavily as I did 20 years ago.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Lord, you've bought into the shitty mainstream propaganda.
Rog, keep reading.
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Both Putin and Z are dictators.
When Ukraine has elections shortly, that will eliminate one of those options
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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When Ukraine has elections shortly, that will eliminate one of those options
Russia has elections.
They dont mean much in an autocratic state.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Both Putin and Z are dictators.
When Ukraine has elections shortly, that will eliminate one of those options
What about his political opponents that were imprisoned/killed? How is elections going to fix that? What about the journalists that were murdered?
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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I have literally never even implied Trump is a dictator
Its safe to say, based upon your comments on this thread and previous, that the information you consume calls Trump a dictator. And likely "literal Hitler" too. If I were you, I'd reconsider my information sources because if you don't think Zelensky is a dictator, your sources are lying to you.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:26 am to Grinder
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Russia is led by the worst man on the planet.
There are sitting members of Congress that are worse than Putin. The Clintons and Obama's are worse than Putin. The Bush family is responsible for more deaths than Putin. The Soros family makes Putin look like a choir boy. The Bidens and Podestas are worse than Putin. Xi Xinping, Kim Jong Un, Khamenei and Governor Trudeau are worse than Putin. A majority of EU leaders are worse than Putin.
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Why exactly are some Conservatives Pro-Russia?
I don't see that. I just see conservatives who see things for what they are, and recognize that they're a very nationalist and homogenous nation with more in common with the US that Ukraine, and that Ukraine is a globalist puppet government installed via color revolution at the hands of the US to become a Congressional money laundering machine and a free field for illegal bioweapons research.
frick them both, because I care about America. But if I am FORCED to sympathize with one government or the other, I choose Russia. The people of both nations are just caught in the middle the same way we are in the US
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