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re: Why Elon Musk Ultimately Is A False Free-Speech Messiah…
Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:22 am to DEG
Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:22 am to DEG
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Exactly. Absolutely no one on this board knows what free speech means or how it practically applies to platforms like twitter.
Free speech is very clear. I don't understand this "newthink" that this is a nuanced, situational definition.
Free speech, philosophically, does not accept the premise that thoughts are in themselves harmful and need to be controlled. Laws are not built for thoughts.
In the event of Twitter, they are a private company that can set terms on what is posted. This is censorship. It's not a first amendment violation, but it IS censorship.
The problem with qualifying thought crime is that it - like many modern notions - is an ever slippery slope that is heading somewhere very bad. The framers did not anticipate something like Twitter or the fact that international corporate factions would someday buy the information avenues of highest influence in this country...including the press. So we have allowed globalists to qualify free speech to the point where it is actually argued free speech requires censorship.
Like everything, it's completely upside down and it's sad that any violation of personal philosophy only needs a swastika to justify it. How well they have trained us.
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:40 am to Toomer Deplorable
Love how experts are seizing this "event" to slice and dice your everyday heroic moment into microscopic cells and systematically pronounce them a threat to mankind.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 8:46 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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You said he’s not for free speech, because he gets angry at what other people say. That’s essentially what I got from your post.
I don’t know where to go from there.
Musk is the one who said he banned Kanye West for violating Twitter’s TOS because Musk felt compelled to punch Kanye West after seeing one of Kanye’s posts.
I said Musk is left-leaning because he feels compelled to commit physical acts of violence over mean words: resorting to physical violence over political disagreement because of a lack of impulse control is a classic progressive characteristic.
Once again, as the owner of the platform, Musk is certainly within his right to ban users as he sees fit but Musk’s claim that Kanye West violated Twitter’s TOS by inciting violence is absurd.
The simple point here is that Musk is not the free speech absolutist he claims to be.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 9:01 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:30 am to AUCom96
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The problem with qualifying thought crime is that it - like many modern notions - is an ever slippery slope that is heading somewhere very bad.
It is not a coincident that controversial — if not repugnant — public figures such as Kanye West & Alex Jones are targeted for silencing by corporate and state interests for promoting “hate speech.”
Yet whatever your opinion of such figures as Jones & West, they often serve as the canaries in the coal mine of free speech.
Too often, silencing “hate speech” is a simply a means of silencing speech the state hates.
“They came for Alex Jones and I said nothing….”
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:37 am to DEG
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Exactly. Absolutely no one on this board knows what free speech means or how it practically applies to platforms like twitter.
The United States Govt was conspiring with Twitter to suppress free speech.
That is THE textbook example of a violation of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:12 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Musk is the one who said he banned Kanye West for violating Twitter’s TOS because Musk felt compelled to punch Kanye West after seeing one of Kanye’s posts.
No, this wasn't the reason.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:15 am to Toomer Deplorable
So stupid. I’m anti death penalty. If that doesn’t mean I don’t want to kill people who do heinous things.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:36 am to ProbyOne
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No, this wasn't the reason
What?
Here are Musk’s own words for why he banned Kanye:
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“The question is, what is an incitement to violence? I think, posting swastikas, in what obviously is not a good way, is an incitement to violence. I personally wanted to punch Kanye so that was definitely inciting me to violence.”
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:06 am to Robin Masters
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So stupid.
You are a moron with reading comprehension issues. See, two can play that game?
Now, do you want to have a discussion or trade knee-jerk insults? I’m game for either!
I’m here to make friends. And if not friends, frenemies will do!
Now, with the preliminary insults hurled, I indicated above that having a visceral emotional reaction to a political disagreement is a perfectly understandable human trait. Passioned debate over the issues we discuss here daily indeed is what makes this board such a unique place.
Again, strong opinion often generates strong emotion. Yet me seeking to have another poster banned because a disagreeable opinion engenders a strong emotional reaction in me is another matter altogether.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 11:21 am
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