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re: Why don’t states use an electoral college style system for elections?

Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:41 am to
Posted by TrussvilleTide
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:41 am to
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The small population, rural counties afre effectively meaningless in many states.

Why not model their votes after the EC? Or are they prohibited from doing so?


Is "whoever gets the most votes wins" really that difficult of a concept?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:42 am to
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Is "whoever gets the most votes wins" really that difficult of a concept?

It's difficult to accept when the other team has more of them
Posted by TrussvilleTide
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:48 am to
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It's difficult to accept when the other team has more of them


And so goes the GoP. They've won the popular vote twice since Reagan... once was HW Bush who was riding Reagan's coattails and won it (but didn't even win a second term) and Little Bush won it in his second term still riding the wave of post-9/11 patriotism and unification of the country after a tragedy.

So they take that information and instead of adjusting their platform to become more popular they not only double down, they make themselves even MORE polarizing and say the RULES are the problem
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:48 am to
In Georgia, we used to have an extreme version known as the county unit system for statewide primaries, which effectively was the general due to Dem dominance. It was killed by SCOTUS in the 60s.

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Basically, it gave the rural counties nearly all of the leverage:

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Under the county unit system, the 159 counties in Georgia were divided by population into three categories. The largest eight counties were classified as "Urban", the next-largest 30 counties were classified as "Town", and the remaining 121 counties were classified as "Rural". Urban counties were given 6 unit votes, Town counties were given 4 unit votes, and Rural counties were given 2 unit votes, for a total of 410 available unit votes. Each county's unit votes were awarded on a winner-take-all basis.
Posted by Ag Zwin
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:49 am to
Because states were never founded as a collection of counties.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:50 am to
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So they take that information and instead of adjusting their platform to become more popular they not only double down, they make themselves even MORE polarizing and say the RULES are the problem

Yesterday I pointed out that the GOP has been a minority party in the US for a long time but they mistook a system rigged in their favor for a mandate. This caused them to be overconfident and lose the culture war and made themselves an even bigger minority party as a result.

So it's not shocking that now they want to adopt that same rigged system intrastate, for the same reasons
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:50 am to
for a century, Texas DID have legislative Districts which protected rural interests. Feds shut it down as unconstitutional in the 1970s.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 7:58 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:53 am to
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The small population, rural counties are effectively meaningless in many states.
If a state wants to do that, it can
No. see above.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 7:54 am
Posted by crmzon
Member since Oct 2022
92 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:56 am to
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Why don’t states use an electoral college style system for elections?
In Georgia, we used to have an extreme version known as the county unit system for statewide primaries, which effectively was the general due to Dem dominance. It was killed by SCOTUS in the 60s.

LINK

Basically, it gave the rural counties nearly all of the leverage:

quote:
Under the county unit system, the 159 counties in Georgia were divided by population into three categories. The largest eight counties were classified as "Urban", the next-largest 30 counties were classified as "Town", and the remaining 121 counties were classified as "Rural". Urban counties were given 6 unit votes, Town counties were given 4 unit votes, and Rural counties were given 2 unit votes, for a total of 410 available unit votes. Each county's unit votes were awarded on a winner-take-all basis.


That's interesting. Did not know that.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14671 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:56 am to
I'm going to guess mostly because you could never get it through the legislatures of the states. Getting yourself elected comes with the predisposition that you know what needs to be done better than the people around you. When you group those people together as a body, that body truly believes they know what needs done or changed better than the rural folks. Short answer is arrogance of the majority.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 7:58 am to
The entire point of the House of Representatives is for the people to elect their representatives by popular vote.
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
3924 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 8:00 am to
"I'd go for that. Would prevent big city Dems from choosing state leaders despite never seeing an unpaved road."


.... not necessarily, because if you use the federal electoral college as an example, the larger counties or parishes would have many more electoral votes than the smaller ones. The same reason Vermont has 3 electoral votes and Texas has 38. If you are not going to use population totals to determine electoral votes, than which calculation would be used?
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 8:01 am to
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each county gets one vote.



Los Angeles county 10 million people.
kings (Brooklyn) and queens and Nassau counties all on long island have millions each.
millions.
so also 3 or 4 of the sf bay area counties.
Posted by TrussvilleTide
The Endless Void
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 8:05 am to
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I like each county gets one vote.



Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32425 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 8:19 am to
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That's interesting. Did not know that.


8th grade Georgia history class really comes into handy sometimes.
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3842 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 8:42 am to
It is not a “rigged” system in any way. It is the absolute best system for our type of country and one of the few things that should never be tampered with. I agree it makes no sense on a state level and really anybody advocating for it on a state level are just butt hurt that they are losing elections. On a national level however it is pretty much the best system available. We aren’t one large borderless country so the popular vote makes zero sense to go by. We are a collection of states and states matter. All states should have some power but not equal power which is exactly what we have. That’s why it doesn’t make sense on the state level because counties don’t really matter.

We were never meant to be a pure/direct democracy with a straight popular vote, as a matter of fact the founding fathers added many safeguards against it and what they called the “tyranny of the majority” which they correctly regarded just as dangerous as the tyranny of a king. Left leaning people or anybody that complains about the EC are just as butt hurt as those conservatives who don’t like major cities running entire states. Both don’t like systems that currently don’t favor them but are both completely logical systems to use.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 8:50 am
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:10 am to
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Is "whoever gets the most votes wins" really that difficult of a concept?


No, mob rule (pure democracy) is easy to understand.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70159 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:12 am to
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It's difficult to accept when the other team has more of them



Republicans had 6 million more votes than dems last Tuesday
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32425 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:02 am to
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Republicans had 6 million more votes than dems last Tuesday


Yet it means squat at the national level (unless you want House and Senate races to be proportional to the national vote total)
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36611 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:21 am to
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Why do you want them to be over-represented?


so nola doesnt get to improse its values on the rest of the state.

its frickign stupid we dont.
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