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re: Why does the cake baker allow gay couples to buy his premade cakes?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 9:59 am to SUB
Posted on 12/5/17 at 9:59 am to SUB
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What if gay couples started buying up all his store bought cakes and using them as wedding cakes? Would he have to just ignore that fact to keep making cakes, because at that point, he would be a willing participant.
This seems rational to you?
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Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:01 am to SUB
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This is what I think he feels
Here's what he really feels, and most do but have been brainwashed to not say anything.
He feels homosexuality is a mental disorder just like it always was util the homosexuals went to University and majored and outnumbered normal people in psch 101.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:05 am to SUB
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Just trying to understand his logic on morality.
There is a story in the Bible where the members of the local church are asking Paul if it's alright to eat meat that is sold at the shambles.
The practice was that once meat was offered to idols, it was sold at the local meat market along with other meat at a discounted price and the Christians wanted to buy it, but weren't sure if it was a moral practice?
Paul, gave them a simple and biblical answer.
He told them to buy the meat and don't even ask if it was offered to idols. That way, you won't have your consciences bothered. But he went on to say, if you know beforehand that it was offered to an idol, don't eat it for conscience sake.
To me, it's the same situation as the one you mentioned earlier. In one case, he is simply baking cakes and selling them to whomever with no questions asked.
In the second scenario, he is being asked to participate in an act that bothers his conscience.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:06 am to SUB
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Why does he care so much about his "speech"
because he is a typical cherry picking American Christian that been brainwashed to believe in fiction and likes to use that when its convenient to force his morality on others
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:08 am to Cruiserhog
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because he is a typical cherry picking American Christian
Would you be more receptive to his religious conscience if he were Muslim?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:10 am to Revelator
John the relevator.
John the relevator.
John the relevator.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:10 am to Cruiserhog
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because he is a typical cherry picking American Christian that been brainwashed to believe in fiction and likes to use that when its convenient to force his morality on others
Oh look at me everybody!! I'm the edgy atheist!!
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:11 am to Dizz
"A portrait artist wouldn't be able to turn away a black person because he didn't want to use his artistic expression to paint a black person."
Have you actually seen a case like this? This is the realm we're in, the intersection of First Amendment rights and the rights to engage in commerce without discrimination.
Have you actually seen a case like this? This is the realm we're in, the intersection of First Amendment rights and the rights to engage in commerce without discrimination.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:13 am to SUB
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Chill out people. I never said he should or shouldn't do something. Just questioning his logic.
He doesn't want to make an artistic expression that endorses gay marriage.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:14 am to Cruiserhog
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when its convenient to force his morality on others
That's the thing, he's not forcing his morality on anyone, you are forcing your imorality on him. You are by definition forcing you religion or lack of on him. And using the government to do it. I swear you bastards are not gonna like the way this ends up.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:16 am to upgrayedd
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This seems rational to you?
In a way...yes. As a comparison, let's say I'm a person who's against abortion. I make special medicine to kill certain viruses and I also make generic medicine to kill all sorts of viruses. I will not make medicine to aid in an abortion. If I sell a generic medical product that's meant to be used to kill viruses, but 99% of my customers are women using it as an alternative to the plan B pill, it'd be hard for me, morally, to continue selling the product, even though it's being used for something I had not intended and am morally against.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:18 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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turn away a black person because he didn't want to use his artistic expression to paint a black person."
That's why we had a constitutional amendment. Can you show me where we had one for gay people? Hell no you can't. Trying to make up a right where one doesn't exist.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:18 am to Cruiserhog
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convenient to force his morality on others
It could be said that the gay couple was trying to force their morality on him.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:20 am to SUB
Why do you want to force this on business owners?
Just go to a gay friendly baker. Gay forums will gladly point you in the right direction. This was a sjw stunt and nothing more.
Just go to a gay friendly baker. Gay forums will gladly point you in the right direction. This was a sjw stunt and nothing more.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:20 am to roadGator
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Why do you want to force this on business owners?
Point to where I said this, please. I'm glad you got your talking point in.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:23 am to SUB
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What if gay couples started buying up all his store bought cakes and using them as wedding cakes? Would he have to just ignore that fact to keep making cakes, because at that point, he would be a willing participant.
No he isn’t. He is selling cakes to the public. He is not required to attend and physically participate at the event. In your scenario I would continue to make as many cakes as I could and let the gay couples buy every last one of them. I’m doing what I do every day. Selling to the general public. And making a lot of money.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:24 am to SUB
So you want the guy to put himself out of business voluntarily because of how people use his product? Sounds like you want people to put the squeeze on him so he's forced to make some decision between his livelihood and his faith.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:24 am to SUB
The proper framing is: he is denying a service.
Whether you agree or not with his right to deny said service is another matter.
Whether you agree or not with his right to deny said service is another matter.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:26 am to SUB
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Semantics.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:27 am to upgrayedd
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