re: Why does it seem like liberalism always wins in the end?

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you've demonstrated limited mental abilities

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this is definitely the way to get someone to come around to your way of thinking

I don't know how many other ways to say it, but you don't know what you're talking about. You can't even frame your arguments correctly so how can I even get to the substance of what you think you're trying to say?

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That's libertarian which is a subset of the larger term conservative.

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No. Libertarian is closer to the extreme-right than conservatism. Both are sub-sets of smaller government. The next step is self-rule.

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you don't know what you're talking about

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Again, a child like attempt at refutation.

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You can't even frame your arguments correctly so how can I even get to the substance of what you think you're trying to say?

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1. I'm framing my arguments perfectly and I'm sure all the other posters here understand them.

2. If you can't understand my arguments then I don't see why you would want me to get MORE complex.

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No. Libertarian is closer to the extreme-right than conservatism.

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Libertarianism is certainly farther to the right than what YOU are calling conservative. I'm calling everything right of dead center as conservative with various subgroups along the line....like the Christian right; single-issue types (ban abortion); isolationists, etc.

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I'm framing my arguments perfectly

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I know that you think you are, but that doesn't make it so

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If you can't understand my arguments then I don't see why you would want me to get MORE complex.

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I understand them perfectly, they are just incorrect. I have repeatedly tried to explain to you in excruciating detail why they are incorrect. There's really not much else I can do for you.

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I'm sure all the other posters here understand them.

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I don't think that's true at all, either. Except for maybe the mouth breather hyper-conservatives who base all their beliefs on what Fox News and conservative radio tells them. That's the camp that you're in at this point. It is the bottom rung of the poli board.

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Again, a child like attempt at refutation.

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Again, there comes a point where there's nothing left for me to say. I have tried to talk to you like a normal person but you're incapable of even recognizing the most basic facts about how people's political beliefs work. If you can't understand that then there's really nothing left to be said.

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I understand them perfectly, they are just incorrect. I have repeatedly tried to explain to you in excruciating detail why they are incorrect. There's really not much else I can do for you.

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Zach is a legend in his own mind. To him, there is no one with more experience, no one with a better memory, no one with more interesting stories. And that's all fine. Harmless delusion. But don't try to show him the truth. Won't work. He's unyielding because he actually believes there's no one with more experience, no one with a better memory, no one with more interesting stories.

He's like an eccentric uncle. Just smile and nod his way. Things work out better that way.

Conservatives seek to CONSERVE the traditional Traditions, Principles and Ideals as well as The Rule of Law that have made America the most prosperous country on Earth.

18TH Century Liberals (modern-day Conservatives) fought for and created Independence from Britain.

It was the Conservatives of The Republican Party who abolished slavery, as they sought to CONSERVE the values of Individual Liberty contained in the US Constitution .

It was not The Conservatives who implemented The New Deal, you have that right at least. It was a mixture of mid 20th Century Conservatives and Liberals that established Civil Rights.

It seems, that like a sophomore in HS, you have assigned the word "good" to Liberalism, and the word "bad" to Conservatism. In HS, that might get you an admiring glance from Sweet Nancy Moistpants in row three, but here it just reveals you as a half-wit.

Your assertion seems impervious to actual facts. I must assume you are either committed to hackery rather than truth, or just ignorant of American History.

Because liberalism in the US provides the easy, immediate gratification route with little care as to the price.

Neuro-pep-12...will cure that Zach. National authority, Dr. CROOK (not kidding) says so. On WAFB right now.

Socialism and nuerop12...piece of cake.