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re: Why does it seem like liberalism always wins in the end?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Modern-day Dems have hijacked the term, like they do with so many terms. Example: "Affordable Care Act".
Not true Liberals
Not true Liberals
Not true Liberals.
You could say "statism" always wins out. That is currently promoted by both parties, with one party clearly for it, while the other backs it while claiming to be against it.
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New deal
Not true Liberals
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civil rights
Not true Liberals
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worker rights
Not true Liberals.
You could say "statism" always wins out. That is currently promoted by both parties, with one party clearly for it, while the other backs it while claiming to be against it.
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Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:52 am to EZE Tiger Fan
"Liberalism" as it is currently defined means no standards and no personal responsibility for anything*. Of course that's going to win when voters are like 5 year olds who have the ability to vote themselves unlimited ponies and lollipops.
*except of course for their political opponents
*except of course for their political opponents
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:56 am to gthog61
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*except of course for their political opponents
Is that why modern day Repubs concede to Dems/Progs and give them their way?
Bush was supposedly against Progressive ideals, yet we got Tarp and mercury-filled light bulbs (among many other prog ideals).
I could do this all day.
Like I said, statism always seems to win.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:21 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Path of least resistance, human nature, etc. Its unnatural to turn down power and influence.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:39 am to Sentrius
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why is modern day liberalism worldwide more closely associated with communism and unbridled socialism
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Liberals have pretty much destroyed the meaning of the word liberal and molded it into its present meaning today.
Pure delusion.
Stop relying on Rush to tell you what liberalism is
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:43 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions.
Soooo, Kim Jong Un is a conservative???
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:43 am to Zach
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Kim Jong Un is a conservative
in a manner of speaking you could say so
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:45 am to Zach
What philosophy is the "Government get the frick out of my way and let me live my life without Draconian oppression and oversight?" That's my philosophy.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Yea, that isn't liberalism. It's progressivism.
Stop relying on Rush to tell you what liberalism is
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:46 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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That's my philosophy
you forgot "i don't care about social problems or for that matter anybody or anything other than myself"
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:48 am to Draconian Sanctions
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"i don't care about social problems or for that matter anybody or anything other than myself"
I do care about social problems and I do care about others than myself. I just don't like the government telling me what group of people I have to care about and support with my money. I'd rather do it on my own accord. Because you know, freedom and all that shite.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:49 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Pure delusion.
That's not a refutation. He is correct. The left favors strong centralized govt as opposed to individual freedom. This is why the left includes communists and socialists. The right favors smallest govt possible and maximum individual freedom and responsibility.
This is why Obama chastised free markets in a speech a few months ago. To paraphrase: "Some want to just let free markets do as they please. History tells us that doesn't work."
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:49 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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with my money
Ah, so you're an anarchist. That's cool I guess. You get one vote just like everyone else
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
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in a manner of speaking you could say so
No, you can't. If conservative = status quo then the word has no political meaning at all. If 10 different countries had 10 different forms of govt ranging from anarchy to monarchy, then the party in power of each would be conservative.
By your definition, Obama is a conservative because his presidency is the status quo.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:51 am to Zach
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The left favors strong centralized govt as opposed to individual freedom.
this is a huge oversimplification
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This is why the left includes communists and socialists.
if you honestly believe that mainstream american liberals are communists then i don't know what to tell you. You're too far gone to help.
I could take very extreme right wing philosophies and try to tie them to modern american conservatives if i wanted to, but i recognize how ridiculous and unfair that would be.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 9:53 am
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:52 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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What philosophy is the "Government get the frick out of my way and let me live my life without Draconian oppression and oversight?" That's my philosophy.
That's libertarian which is a subset of the larger term conservative.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:53 am to Zach
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libertarian
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subset of conservative.
wrong again
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
I'm not an anarchist. Far from it. I believe in taxes. I just don't want to b4 taxed to support other people's bad decisions or government intrusion on the free market.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:55 am to Draconian Sanctions
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this is a huge oversimplification
Definitions generally don't take 20 pages of text.
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if you honestly believe that mainstream american liberals are communists then i don't know what to tell you. You
I didn't say that. You're not good at reading.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:56 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I just don't want to b4 taxed to support other people's bad decisions or government intrusion on the free market.
it sounds like you've bought the right wing's spin, which is fine. I'm not going to sit here and write a novel to explain why your perceptions are wrong right now.
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