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re: Why do people keep calling it a vaccine?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:56 pm to mooseofterror
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:56 pm to mooseofterror
they are all smarter than us, we are dumb and not able to make healthcare decisions for ourselves. technocracy, this shite is going to set back confidence in science and the medical establishment decades, and for what? frick off
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:57 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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Here you go.
don't you dare put that on here and prove the Covidiots wrong. You'll be a racist, bigot or worse any second now.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:59 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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You do know that humanity survived without vaccines up until about 150 years ago when they were introduced, right? Maybe that’s a sign...
Well, the result of the reduced availability of public health measures was tiny populations, endemic disease, extremely short lifespans, and no treatment for things we now consider relatively benign. Of course, human immunity was designed around recognizing that human evolution was social, which is why MHC genes are the most polymorphic in the entire human genome. That fact, and the sheer victories of public health measures and vaccination programs has made all that progress invisible to the average person, who doesn't seem to realize that many of these criticisms were leveled at other vaccines during other eras. But alas.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:01 pm to 00 Tech Grad
I posted this like 6 months ago. The panic should be in getting the vaccine.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:02 pm to mooseofterror
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wheres the flu?
Still around. But there are special features of the flu virus which makes virulence highly variable. There could be any number of explanations for decreased numbers.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:02 pm to SammyTiger
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Vaccines have always been designed to produce an antigen
Vaccines have always been designed to CONTAIN an antigen.
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The MRNA vaccine introduced the antigens in a different way, but the principle is the same.
The mRNA vaccine forces your body to PRODUCE the antigen. It is not the same.
They are turning people into spike protein production factories. And yes, they can be shed. They are a toxin to your body and your body attempts to expel them.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:04 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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The mRNA vaccine forces your body to PRODUCE the antigen. It is not the same.
What cells sense you have a viral infection, and how is that viral material processed?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:05 pm to 00 Tech Grad
They also need to stop using the word immunity in association to these shots. Immunity means the host is able to prevent pathogen development by counteracting any effects produced by the invading pathogen
This is clearly not the case with the experimental shots
This is clearly not the case with the experimental shots
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:05 pm to 00 Tech Grad
They call it a vaccine because they know brainwashing people works.
Other fake news:
Trump colluded with Rushia - no evidence. no signed affidavits. MSM still claims this as true when it is obviously false.
There is nothing to see on Hunter's laptop.
Hiden is not a pedo.
There is too much to list.
Other fake news:
Trump colluded with Rushia - no evidence. no signed affidavits. MSM still claims this as true when it is obviously false.
There is nothing to see on Hunter's laptop.
Hiden is not a pedo.
There is too much to list.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:05 pm to AUstar
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If everyone would have gotten vaccinated months ago we would have virtually eliminated this whole pandemic by now.
This statement is how I know you have know idea what you are talking about. The vaccinated are popping positives everywhere.
And since you are a good medical person, how does the test determine if it is the original china virus, the flu or the new made up Delta variant?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:10 pm to mooseofterror
quote:No human genes are being altered dipshit.
When you edit genes to alter their function it is gene therapy
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:10 pm to Lickitty Split
if government was so interested in saving lives,seems like cancer drugs would be free or insulin dirt cheap.10 bucks at walgreens like the flew shot.there is no vaccine.there are drugs that work,no need for vaccine
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:11 pm to crazy4lsu
at least you didn't say the mask, so you get brownie points.
Maybe bc when someone goes to the hospital with symptoms they only test for covid?
look , i love science. I understand where you are coming from really and i used to be there also. you are likely in your late 20s-early 30s and think you know everything, been there, done that... zoom out to cruising altitude and look at the big picture. You seem well versed and that would lead me to believe you are fairly intelligent. would you publish qPCR data with Ct values over 35 for publication? something is not right here, the assay is flawed, numbers don't make sense. we can agree to disagree and I likely came off a little hot, but its what I believe to be true. this shite is sketchy has hell for lack of a scientific phrase...
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:13 pm to mooseofterror
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wheres the flu?
How about just a common cold?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:15 pm to CDawson
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This statement is how I know you have know idea what you are talking about. The vaccinated are popping positives everywhere.
He's right, despite vaccinated showing positive, because the mRNA vaccine was designed around the most pathogenic portion of the virus to help drive the virus toward its error threshold rate. RNA viruses do not develop herd immunity naturally (as that is nearly impossible with any infectious disease, but even more so with RNA viruses) due to their error mutation rate. The way the mRNA vaccine would have worked was through a mass vaccination program to take advantage of the selective pressure on the most pathogenic portion of the virus.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:17 pm to CDawson
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The vaccinated are popping positives everywhere.
No vaccine in history has ever been 100% effective (some are close, but none are 100%). The idea is to get enough people vaccinated to reach herd immunity. That never happened because the U.S. is sitting at, what, a 40% vaccination rate (50% tops)? We need at least 70%, preferably 80%.
So, of course some vaccinated people are going to catch it. The vaccine is 95% effective (less now with Delta). 5% is a lot of people if you look at raw numbers. We have over 100,000,000 vaccinated, so 5% of that is still about 5,000,000 who are vulnerable.
Each new variant makes the vaccine less and less effective. I think with Delta we're down in the high 80% range now.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:19 pm to AUstar
real question, seriously...
where can i find accurate data on vaccine adverse effects?
where can i find accurate data on vaccine adverse effects?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:20 pm to AUstar
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The vaccine is 95% effective
I wonder which PCR tests they used to validate their positive vs negative research data?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:23 pm to mooseofterror
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would you publish qPCR data with Ct values over 35 for publication?
Where did this happen?
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something is not right here, the assay is flawed, numbers don't make sense. we can agree to disagree and I likely came off a little hot, but its what I believe to be true. this shite is sketchy has hell for lack of a scientific phrase
I'm more than understand people would be less than trusting of public health measures, but the science of the vaccines is sound. The difficulty is that RNA viruses of a particular type don't offer the antigenic stability of other types. It's why I'm less moved by the natural immunity arguments, because the mutation rate alone of COVID will give it a long life in human populations, by virtue of the wide variety of environments it can encounter. There's a rare chance with a mass vaccination program to limit its scope, but we are quickly missing that window.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:28 pm to AUstar
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The idea is to get enough people vaccinated to reach herd immunity. That never happened because the U.S. is sitting at, what, a 40% vaccination rate (50% tops)? We need at least 70%, preferably 80%.
56% have been vaccinated. 21% have natural immunity.
There’s your 70% (allow for some overlap).
The only way new cases are exploding with 70% is if the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread.
The lefts narrative that 30% are to blame for this surge is deflecting blame.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 10:58 pm
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