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re: Why do people keep calling it a vaccine?

Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:37 pm to
Posted by mooseofterror
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:37 pm to
Does the body produce the spike protein naturally?
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:40 pm to
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But every FDA approved vaccine isn't delineated along 'attenuated or dead' as the OP implies.


Yes, it is. I’ll paste the definition for you below of how the CDC defines a vaccine:

Vaccines contain the same germs that cause disease. (For example, measles vaccine contains measles virus, and Hib vaccine contains Hib bacteria.) But they have been either killed or weakened to the point that they don’t make you sick. Some vaccines contain only a part of the disease germ.

A vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first.

This is what makes vaccines such powerful medicine. Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them.


Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:41 pm to
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Does the body produce the spike protein naturally?



No. But you understand what molecular stage this is mimicking, correct?
Posted by mooseofterror
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:42 pm to
how did the animal trials go for mRNA vaccines?
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:42 pm to
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But they have been either killed or weakened to the point that they don’t make you sick. Some vaccines contain only a part of the disease germ.



Except for the ones that don't contain any of the 'germs,' including an acellular vaccine which everyone takes.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:43 pm to
How did the human trials go?
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:43 pm to
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how did the animal trials go for mRNA vaccines?


All the long term animal trials for coronavirus vaccines resulted in all the animals dying. Both ferrets and mice.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 9:44 pm
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:43 pm to
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This experimental jab reprograms your MRNA


No it doesn't. It inserts mRNA into your cells just as the virus itself does. The main difference is the mRNA from the vaccine only instructs cells to create the spike protein, not the entire virus.

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produce spike protein (which is pathogenic priming) that replicates the virus and eliminates any natural immunity you would normally develop.


No. That's not how it works. As I said above, it doesn't replicate the whole virus, only the virus's spike protein. And I don't know where you get that it "eliminates immunity." It does the exact opposite with 94% efficacy.

I have never understood all this vaccine hesitancy, tbh. I think it stems from ignorance as to how it works. If everyone would have gotten vaccinated months ago we would have virtually eliminated this whole pandemic by now.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:44 pm to
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All the long term animal trials for coronavirus vaccines resulted in all the animals dying. Both ferrets and mice.


Good luck. Sorry you made a shitty decision.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 9:45 pm
Posted by mooseofterror
USA
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:45 pm to
well that's ongoing...
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:45 pm to
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All the long term animal trials for coronavirus vaccines resulted in all the animals dying.



Very cool general statement that can apply to all life on this dumb gay planet. Did the animals look around after getting vaccinated, forlorn, and say before death, 'everything I see will outlive me' before falling to the ground like Mercurtio?
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:47 pm to
Look, if you took it, I feel for you and I hope you survive. But the real science is foreboding for those who did. This looks like an injectable bioweapon to me, and it looks like COVID was the excuse to depopulate the planet with it. I only say that because I read the writings of those who hold the patents for it.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 9:50 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:50 pm to
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Look, if you took it, I feel for you and I hope you survive. But the real science is foreboding for those who did. This looks like an injectable bioweapon to me



I'm very familiar with the science, as I work with it every day. There are criticisms of the mRNA design, but those criticisms can apply to limitations of human immunity itself, especially in light of the sheer mutation rate of this virus.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:51 pm to
It’s like they want us vaccinated knowing what’s going to be released next
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:51 pm to
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How did the human trials go?



We'll know in 3 or 4 years.
Posted by mooseofterror
USA
Member since Dec 2012
1338 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:51 pm to
wheres the flu?
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
10713 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:51 pm to
You do know that humanity survived without vaccines up until about 150 years ago when they were introduced, right? Maybe that’s a sign...
Posted by mooseofterror
USA
Member since Dec 2012
1338 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:54 pm to
here's how this shite works. these scientist depend on NiH funding to continue their careers. Dont piss off bossman fauci bc your grant won't get funded. big ole pile of covid money sitting on the table and if you can twist your research objective to fit the covid narrative its almost guaranteed funding. can't make this shite up. now add that with liberal indoctrination while completing phd's , you know what you get...
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:54 pm to
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Why do people keep calling it a vaccine?


Because the Leftist filth is trying to "normalize" the experimental drug they are attempting to mandate. They want people to think its no big deal, just another vaccine like anything else.

It is all a lie, just like everything else the Filth tells you.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:55 pm to
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We'll know in 3 or 4 years.



We already have data that exceeds any other trial. There is only one major reason the FDA doesn't approve vaccines at this stage, and the mRNA vaccines have already passed that checkpoint.

This will be like the pertussis controversies of the 80's, with nonsense associations and vague warnings which the evidence won't support. Reading the history of vaccination programs, it's amazing we seem to go through this every generation, with the same retarded caveats used over and over again.
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