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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:34 pm to tigerinDC09
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:34 pm to tigerinDC09
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Then raising children in said house, in a nice neighborhood, with nice schools. This is a rough example but gives just a small portion of the potential privilege.
It's false. Shawnee Mission school district in Kansas City was famous for having a tax imposed on them by a judge. That's right. No election. No city council, mayor, school board. A judge imposed the tax to raise and spend millions of dollars to improve predominately black schools.
The premise was that the schools had failing students because they were under served from racial discrimination.
Twenty years later the test scores at those schools were not increased at all.
People aren't failures because of their great grandparents. They are failures because of their own bad decisions and stupidity.
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:35 pm to Big Scrub TX
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The point is the lingering impact. The white family had access to mortgage credit. The house that allowed them to buy went up sharply in value. This equity perhaps financed the 1st generation in that family to go to college. etc. etc. And that is just one vector to highlight.
Hmmm, my parents didn't pay for my college. I joined the military for that. There may have been a lingering impact but that isn't how it is now. If someone doesn't go to college or make it, the responsibility for that falls on that individuals shoulders. People seem to want to keep making excuses.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:35 pm to Zach
quote:Congrats on the irrelevant post of the year.
It's false. Shawnee Mission school district in Kansas City was famous for having a tax imposed on them by a judge. That's right. No election. No city council, mayor, school board. A judge imposed the tax to raise and spend millions of dollars to improve predominately black schools.
The premise was that the schools had failing students because they were under served from racial discrimination.
Twenty years later the test scores at those schools were not increased at all.
People aren't failures because of their great grandparents. They are failures because of their own bad decisions and stupidity.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Your post highlights a very profound hypocrisy among some on the right as well
To many trump activists, rural whites are solely in their predicament because of exogenous factors: China, Mexican drug lords, the government “forgetting” about them, etc
Why is nothing ever asked of these rural struggling communities. We live in a market economy where labor demand is always switching industries. Stop treating rural poor whites like they are solely victims who lack ability or agency.
Many of the problems afflicting rural America are afflicting inner cities: single moms, welfare dependency, drug usage. To many on the right, the latter problems are caused by the inner city residents. The former are caused by external menaces.
It’s rank hypocrisy
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:38 pm to DemonKA3268
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Hmmm, my parents didn't pay for my college. I joined the military for that. There may have been a lingering impact but that isn't how it is now. If someone doesn't go to college or make it, the responsibility for that falls on that individuals shoulders. People seem to want to keep making excuses.
Look we agree, that it comes down to personal responsibility. But with more obstacles to overcome, come higher probabilities of failure, it's that simple.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:38 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:You just seem so resistant to the very simple concept: one group was not only allowed to flourish, but was actively promoted by the government. This led to TRILLIONS of wealth creation. The other group was intentionally, directly and very effectively BARRED from participating in the same wealth creation. We can keep going back and forth on individual examples all we want, but the likely simple truth is staring us in the face.
Hmmm, my parents didn't pay for my college. I joined the military for that. There may have been a lingering impact but that isn't how it is now. If someone doesn't go to college or make it, the responsibility for that falls on that individuals shoulders. People seem to want to keep making excuses.
This isn't ALL of the explanation. But it should at least be recognized as relevant.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:39 pm to DemonKA3268
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I joined the military for that.
Thank you for your service.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:40 pm to Screaming Viking
Good employees are hard to find!!!! Finding people that don’t spend all day on their phones or messages boards. People that show up on time with a good attitude. Solve more problems than they create.
De pravious can get a good job and advance if he is intelligent and works hard and does the above. Most supervisors are tired of baby sitting.
A good economy is the best leveler there is. Most economists believe the floor for unemployment is around 2-3%. Distribution of talent and jobs prevents it from getting much lower.
Immigrants have a huge advantage over inner city poor because they are mobile. Hard to bring jobs to bad areas because of break ins and theft. Easier to move people to jobs than jobs to people.
Do you think supermarkets care about any color but green? Shoplifting has closed more stores than racism.
Redlining is bad where you can prove it. Programs that were offered to help remediate some of this issue were hit with catastrophic default rates. This hurt every one.
Thomas Sowel and Larry Elder both have good videos debunking institutionalized racism. All government can do is offer a ladder. People will have to climb out of poverty themselves.
The only white privilege I received was two grand parents that loved me. They taught about hard work. To save for the rainy day that always comes. How much you spend is as important as how much you make. (Johnny Dept and Adrian Peterson anyone)
These basic fundamentals are not secrets but how many poor people can pass them to their kids.
Blaming others is easier than changing ones own habits.
De pravious can get a good job and advance if he is intelligent and works hard and does the above. Most supervisors are tired of baby sitting.
A good economy is the best leveler there is. Most economists believe the floor for unemployment is around 2-3%. Distribution of talent and jobs prevents it from getting much lower.
Immigrants have a huge advantage over inner city poor because they are mobile. Hard to bring jobs to bad areas because of break ins and theft. Easier to move people to jobs than jobs to people.
Do you think supermarkets care about any color but green? Shoplifting has closed more stores than racism.
Redlining is bad where you can prove it. Programs that were offered to help remediate some of this issue were hit with catastrophic default rates. This hurt every one.
Thomas Sowel and Larry Elder both have good videos debunking institutionalized racism. All government can do is offer a ladder. People will have to climb out of poverty themselves.
The only white privilege I received was two grand parents that loved me. They taught about hard work. To save for the rainy day that always comes. How much you spend is as important as how much you make. (Johnny Dept and Adrian Peterson anyone)
These basic fundamentals are not secrets but how many poor people can pass them to their kids.
Blaming others is easier than changing ones own habits.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
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You just seem so resistant to the very simple concept: one group was not only allowed to flourish, but was actively promoted by the government. This led to TRILLIONS of wealth creation. The other group was intentionally, directly and very effectively BARRED from participating in the same wealth creation. We can keep going back and forth on individual examples all we want, but the likely simple truth is staring us in the face. This isn't ALL of the explanation. But it should at least be recognized as relevant.
Key word here is was. Quit living in the was period and live in the now. What it was like in the past is not happening now.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:40 pm to xiv
quote:do they not realize how much of a meme they are at this point? literally the same reply every time from the "concerned independent/republican" who staunchly defends every leftist idea and detests conservatives
I am not in a party
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: you are not good at this.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:40 pm to tigerinDC09
Random question, but does DC have a good LSU alumni bar for Saturday football?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:42 pm to tigerinDC09
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Thank you for your service.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:42 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:Dude, you keep talking past me. I've said several times now is not like then. But the point is that PART of now is explained by THEN (at least in terms of wealth inequality.)
Key word here is was. Quit living in the was period and live in the now. What it was like in the past is not happening now.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Random question, but does DC have a good LSU alumni bar for Saturday football?
The official one is Rhodeside Grill in Arlington... I stopped going years ago, I get too annoyed to be around people in the recent years of lsu football.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Dude, you keep talking past me. I've said several times now is not like then. But the point is that PART of now is explained by THEN (at least in terms of wealth inequality.)
And I will agree that a very small part is. The rest is on the individual and how much they are willing to sacrifice to get where they want to be. It all boils down to personal responsibility and accountability in this day and age.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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To many trump activists, rural whites are solely in their predicament because of exogenous factors: China, Mexican drug lords, the government “forgetting” about them, etc
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Many of the problems afflicting rural America are afflicting inner cities: single moms, welfare dependency, drug usage. To many on the right, the latter problems are caused by the inner city residents. The former are caused by external menaces.
Who are these Trump activists? I don't doubt that somewhere somebody is saying that, but I peruse a few different forums that are largely conservative and what you described just isn't a big topic of discussion. I don't think I've seen in here in the time I've been posting here. Are you talking about voters or politicians pandering for votes?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:47 pm to 20 ton
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These basic fundamentals are not secrets but how many poor people can pass them to their kids.
When it came time to talk about mortgage financing and wealth investment portfolio's, I had no one in my family to seek advice, much less help for a down payment.
They simply used whatever black real estate owner that would work with them.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:49 pm to Logician
quote:I’m not a Republican, nor have I claimed to be. For that matter, I haven’t claimed that I’m “concerned,” either.
"concerned independent/republican"
quote:Off the top of your head, what are three?
who staunchly defends every leftist idea
ETA: You will not provide a list of three leftist ideas that I staunchly defend because you can’t.
quote:There’s easily at least a 20:1 conservative:liberal ratio here. Anyone who can’t accept that there is a larger aggregate of detestable conservative material than one of detestable liberal material is merely a shill for his team/tribe.
and detests conservatives
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
So do we hand people the money that they were prevented from making. Would they have the fundamental skills necessary to manage it. The curse of the lottery is really about people with out financial skills suddenly needing those skills.
Never before have there been better opportunity for poor people. It’s still up to them to work for it.
Never before have there been better opportunity for poor people. It’s still up to them to work for it.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 1:53 pm to xiv
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Anyone who can’t accept that there is a larger aggregate of detestable conservative material than one of detestable liberal material is merely a shill for his team/tribe
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