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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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Affirmative action is the only true form of institutional racism.
And with a straight face, I presume.


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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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Applying this, even if you think it's applied logically, is institutional racism. Being black does not make a person more likely to default on loans.



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Institutional racism is far worse than the two examples you've given, of course.


The party of science once again turning their backs on facts, data, patterns, and trends because muh fee fees is huwt.

But you have no problem looking at a hockey stick shaped graph of CO2 levels and temps and screaming "look at the pattern! we're doomed! the science is settled!"

selective scientist


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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
you don't understand why a completely vague and malleable term used to silence opposition and label your opponents the worst of society is used?

really?


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tigerinDC09
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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Agree with you and yes, we should be able to. No person or society will ever be perfect, no matter how bad someone wants it to be.


Agree, and if we are in pursuit of a more perfect union, we can and should find ways to minimize our imperfections.


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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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The party of science once again turning their backs on facts, data, patterns, and trends because muh fee fees is huwt.

But you have no problem looking at a hockey stick shaped graph of CO2 levels and temps and screaming "look at the pattern! we're doomed! the science is settled!"

selective scientist

None of your melt applies to me. I am not in a party and have always voted GOP or third party in every election.


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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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But this is a multifaceted issue. It’s worthy of examination to see if some modern day disparities between races can be attributed to culture and behavior.
Good post. The truth lies somewhere in between. The fantasy that blacks could have just pulled themselves successfully up by their bootstraps amid a horror show of persecution, violence and discrimination is just that - a fantasy. By the same token, the idea that the entire deck is just stacked against blacks now to the extent it was 40-60 years ago is equally fantastic.


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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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and have always voted GOP or third party in every election.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:


:bow: :bow: :bow:


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DemonKA3268
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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Agree, and if we are in pursuit of a more perfect union, we can and should find ways to minimize our imperfections.


Agreed but you know we will always have some on both ends of the spectrum that magnify those imperfections.


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tigerinDC09
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What privilege ? My dad being responsible and being in his children's lives?

That's a privilege ?


A privilege, just for example, would be getting a loan in the 1970's that would have been denied to the same person just for being black.

Then raising children in said house, in a nice neighborhood, with nice schools. This is a rough example but gives just a small portion of the potential privilege.


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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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The fantasy that blacks could have just pulled themselves successfully up by their bootstraps amid a horror show of persecution, violence and discrimination is just that - a fantasy. By the same token, the idea that the entire deck is just stacked against blacks now to the extent it was 40-60 years ago is equally fantastic.


That is correct.


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DemonKA3268
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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A privilege, just for example, would be getting a loan in the 1970's that would have been denied to the same person just for being black. Then raising children in said house, in a nice neighborhood, with nice schools. This is a rough example but gives just a small portion of the potential privilege.


We aren't in the 70's. We've already established how bad the past was. It isn't even close to that now.


tigerinDC09
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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The fantasy that blacks could have just pulled themselves successfully up by their bootstraps amid a horror show of persecution, violence and discrimination is just that - a fantasy. By the same token, the idea that the entire deck is just stacked against blacks now to the extent it was 40-60 years ago is equally fantastic.


That is correct.


See, we both agree here...

I'm just not seeing where anyone here has said "the entire deck is just stacked against blacks now to the extent it was 40-60 years ago."
This post was edited on 8/14 at 1:30 pm


Big Scrub TX
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We aren't in the 70's. We've already established how bad the past was. It isn't even close to that now.
The point is the lingering impact. The white family had access to mortgage credit. The house that allowed them to buy went up sharply in value. This equity perhaps financed the 1st generation in that family to go to college. etc. etc. And that is just one vector to highlight.


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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
Your post highlights a very profound hypocrisy among some on the right as well

To many trump activists, rural whites are solely in their predicament because of exogenous factors: China, Mexican drug lords, the government “forgetting” about them, etc

Why is nothing ever asked of these rural struggling communities. We live in a market economy where labor demand is always switching industries. Stop treating rural poor whites like they are solely victims who lack ability or agency.

Many of the problems afflicting rural America are afflicting inner cities: single moms, welfare dependency, drug usage. To many on the right, the latter problems are caused by the inner city residents. The former are caused by external menaces.

It’s rank hypocrisy


DemonKA3268
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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I'm just not seeing where anyone here has said "the entire deck is just stacked against blacks now to the extent it was 40-60 years ago."


I haven't seen it on this post but I know numerous people that think it is that bad or worse. It's baffling.


Big Scrub TX
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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See, we both agree here...

I'm just not seeing where anyone here has said "the entire deck is just stacked against blacks now to the extent it was 40-60 years ago."
We more than agree.


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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The point is the lingering impact. The white family had access to mortgage credit


You're overestimating how wealthy most whites are/were in the South.

Few white people had wealth in the 60;s or 70's in the South.

Most homes were places to live, not investments in those days.


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tigerinDC09
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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We aren't in the 70's. We've already established how bad the past was. It isn't even close to that now.


Agreed. But when we put it in the context of pre-existing privilege it matters.


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Big Scrub TX
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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Your post highlights a very profound hypocrisy among some on the right as well

To many trump activists, rural whites are solely in their predicament because of exogenous factors: China, Mexican drug lords, the government “forgetting” about them, etc

Why is nothing ever asked of these rural struggling communities. We live in a market economy where labor demand is always switching industries. Stop treating rural poor whites like they are solely victims who lack ability or agency.

Many of the problems afflicting rural America are afflicting inner cities: single moms, welfare dependency, drug usage. To many on the right, the latter problems are caused by the inner city residents. The former are caused by external menaces.

It’s rank hypocrisy


Another good post. And yep - per the bolded, sometimes the "external menace" is black people did it to them with affirmative action or CRA.


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Big Scrub TX
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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
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I haven't seen it on this post but I know numerous people that think it is that bad or worse. It's baffling.
I would agree that the youth zeitgeist presently is to basically allege that things are worse than they've ever been. I would also add that right makes it worse by completely refusing to admit anything really bad every happened.


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