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re: Why do liberals/leftists hate the flag and national anthem?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:06 am to AU86
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:06 am to AU86
Because they are against individual liberties.
The modern day liberal is very much an Orwellian Socialist / Communist.
No gender, no religion, no flag. They encourage everyone to be different as long as being different is exactly like them.
If you disagree with them, you're a nationalist, a racist, xenophobic (which is ironic since they really hate religion, or a misogynist.
Liberalism truly is a disease.
The modern day liberal is very much an Orwellian Socialist / Communist.
No gender, no religion, no flag. They encourage everyone to be different as long as being different is exactly like them.
If you disagree with them, you're a nationalist, a racist, xenophobic (which is ironic since they really hate religion, or a misogynist.
Liberalism truly is a disease.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:11 am to AU86
Because they want to turn the country into a cuba, Russia, or 3rd world country because they would trust communist with their lives than a rich conservative government. Want their cake so they can eat it. And they are are pissed at military for dying for their freedom to express themselves.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:18 am to bencoleman
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Wait, they don't have jobs and they're all on welfare.
Many of them are civil servants and got their jobs due to quotas. That's why most things controlled by civil servants suck so bad.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:22 am to AU86
Because until the entire nation, including its governing documents and its elected officials and every single inhabitant therein, is as perfect as they think they are, the whole thing is inherently evil and needs to be destroyed.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:23 am to TBoy
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Gee. I'd have thought the guys who fly the flag of the confederacy rather than the flag of America are the ones making a statement against America and her flag.
Then you thought wrong - again.
Your perfect score is still intact - never change.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:27 am to Zach
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A lot of today's youthful protesters have parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents who were youthful protesters in the 60s. It wasn't just Vietnam. There were lots of race riots and general 'we're against the system' protests.
Those hippies are also now tenured members of your local college faculty.
True dat - I watched it happen and was too involved with my work to do much more than shake my head about it = "surely this nonsense will soon go away."
It didn't and I blame myself for not doing more to try to stop it - all I did was vote for the most conservative candidate I could find in every election. I should have laid down my slide rule and put on a black mask and gone out and beat the shite out of some of these fledgling anarchists.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:40 am to austintigerdad
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We liberals
Define 'liberal' - I consider myself a true liberal in that I am all for progress and the examination of new ideas and the absolute rule of logic and fact with a substantial feeling of helping out my fellow man. I am not much enthralled by the arts, personally, but I am very glad so many are who produce outstanding works that I would never have the capacity to try duplicating.
I adopt the 'conservative' label because that is the only place where logic, respect, true charity, common sense, real tolerance, courage and aspiration actually finds a home.
I try to avoid harping on "liberals" in my tirades against the evils of the modern culture that I think are destroying our nation, preferring to characterize this phenomenon as "radical left wing socialism," although I sometimes fall into the lazy nomenclature of 'liberal.'
I reject the tag of "libertarian" because that group seems to have a one-issue agenda = 'legalize dope' - and I am nowhere near that idiocy. I align with the rest of their 'small-government' assertions, but that is just an addendum to their main objective.
I suspect most 'conservatives' on here are pretty much the same as I am, with some outliers, mostly with alliance with the 'legalize dope' crowd.
So - what are you as a "liberal?"
Because looking at your list of "gotchas' you appear to be in the radical left wing socialist camp, rather than the rational, logic driven, aspirational true 'liberal' camp.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:44 am to AU86
Many leftists hate the anthem because they could never stick the clarinet solo on it when they played in high school band
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:47 am to Obtuse1
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I am a liberal, or at least left of center on enough issues to self identify as one when forced to label myself. What I am not is a leftist no different than the majority of conservatives are part of the alt-right. Lumping leftists and liberals in the same bag is simply incorrect, it is a venn diagram sort of issue, the same as saying every conservative has a Nazi flag tattoo hidden on his butt.
I was a liberal when I took my oath and accepted my commission in the USA. I served out of a love and commitment for the ideals of the US. At least one man or woman in both my parent's families has been on active duty since the beginning of the nation, and before. The families have and have had many liberals and conservatives but at least all the ones I know loved the US.
I have visited over 30 countries and lived in 3 for over a year (not counting military service since that isn't actually "living" in a foreign country). There are things I liked about each country but ultimately I still loved the US more.
I think the majority of the alt-right and the majority of the leftist actually love the country though they both have very different ideas of what the country should be. Our country is not static and if it weren't for people that saw the ideals of the country needed to shift we would still have slavery and women without the vote.
I think true love for a country requires a constant vigilance to make it better. I think this is similar to a child, you may love a child above all other but you may also see their flaws and realize it is your responsibility to help them be better. The US is not perfect nor has it ever been nor will it ever be but those that love it have a responsibility to attempt to make it better.
I believe in peoples rights to peacefully protest and I believe in the potential for the free speech to meet legal consequences.
I further think that labeling anyone that you don't agree with a nasty pejorative is intellectually weak. While the internet is allowing the electorate to become more engaged and educated than ever it has also brought on a high level of tribalism and people living in self chosen echo chambers. People who can not have a civil discussion with those that have different points of view and simply stamp their feet in disgust while spraying insults like so much diarrhea are part of the problem not part of the solution.
I think I have found my doppelganger on the other side of the political aisle.
I hope you build up your post count here - I will be on the lookout for you
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:51 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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When did kneeling before the flag become more disrespectful than actually taking up arms against the flag?
Confederate apologists are so confused.
It takes a really small mind to be consumed by such an impotent idea as that.
I pity you.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:02 am to Obtuse1
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I am a liberal, or at least left of center on enough issues to self identify as one when forced to label myself. What I am not is a leftist no different than the majority of conservatives are part of the alt-right. Lumping leftists and liberals in the same bag is simply incorrect, it is a venn diagram sort of issue, the same as saying every conservative has a Nazi flag tattoo hidden on his butt.
I was a liberal when I took my oath and accepted my commission in the USA. I served out of a love and commitment for the ideals of the US. At least one man or woman in both my parent's families has been on active duty since the beginning of the nation, and before. The families have and have had many liberals and conservatives but at least all the ones I know loved the US.
I have visited over 30 countries and lived in 3 for over a year (not counting military service since that isn't actually "living" in a foreign country). There are things I liked about each country but ultimately I still loved the US more.
I think the majority of the alt-right and the majority of the leftist actually love the country though they both have very different ideas of what the country should be. Our country is not static and if it weren't for people that saw the ideals of the country needed to shift we would still have slavery and women without the vote.
I think true love for a country requires a constant vigilance to make it better. I think this is similar to a child, you may love a child above all other but you may also see their flaws and realize it is your responsibility to help them be better. The US is not perfect nor has it ever been nor will it ever be but those that love it have a responsibility to attempt to make it better.
I believe in peoples rights to peacefully protest and I believe in the potential for the free speech to meet legal consequences.
I further think that labeling anyone that you don't agree with a nasty pejorative is intellectually weak. While the internet is allowing the electorate to become more engaged and educated than ever it has also brought on a high level of tribalism and people living in self chosen echo chambers. People who can not have a civil discussion with those that have different points of view and simply stamp their feet in disgust while spraying insults like so much diarrhea are part of the problem not part of the solution.
Say it louder, there are still some people who refuse to hear you in the back.......
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:04 am to AU86
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Love It or Change It!!!
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:06 am to AU86
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Anti- American
Surely so are. But protesting is very American. Don't you think?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:09 am to Obtuse1
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I am a liberal, or at least left of center on enough issues to self identify as one when forced to label myself. What I am not is a leftist no different than the majority of conservatives are part of the alt-right. Lumping leftists and liberals in the same bag is simply incorrect, it is a venn diagram sort of issue, the same as saying every conservative has a Nazi flag tattoo hidden on his butt.
I was a liberal when I took my oath and accepted my commission in the USA. I served out of a love and commitment for the ideals of the US. At least one man or woman in both my parent's families has been on active duty since the beginning of the nation, and before. The families have and have had many liberals and conservatives but at least all the ones I know loved the US.
I have visited over 30 countries and lived in 3 for over a year (not counting military service since that isn't actually "living" in a foreign country). There are things I liked about each country but ultimately I still loved the US more.
I think the majority of the alt-right and the majority of the leftist actually love the country though they both have very different ideas of what the country should be. Our country is not static and if it weren't for people that saw the ideals of the country needed to shift we would still have slavery and women without the vote.
I think true love for a country requires a constant vigilance to make it better. I think this is similar to a child, you may love a child above all other but you may also see their flaws and realize it is your responsibility to help them be better. The US is not perfect nor has it ever been nor will it ever be but those that love it have a responsibility to attempt to make it better.
I believe in peoples rights to peacefully protest and I believe in the potential for the free speech to meet legal consequences.
I further think that labeling anyone that you don't agree with a nasty pejorative is intellectually weak. While the internet is allowing the electorate to become more engaged and educated than ever it has also brought on a high level of tribalism and people living in self chosen echo chambers. People who can not have a civil discussion with those that have different points of view and simply stamp their feet in disgust while spraying insults like so much diarrhea are part of the problem not part of the solution
prog filth
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:13 am to ChineseBandit58
I'm not "consumed", just curious how people can defend actually shooting at the flag, and be outraged over kneeling before the flag.
And when did kneeling become so disrespectful?
Someone should tell the Catholics.
And when did kneeling become so disrespectful?
Someone should tell the Catholics.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:15 am to novabill
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But protesting is very American. Don't you think?
Protesting is at the very soul of our founding.
Stopping other groups from protesting is gang violence.
What the leftists are doing is preventing any conservative voice from being heard. I am referring to the Berkeley type antifa violence, and even the Charlottesville disaster.
Violence breeds violence. And just as in football officiating, it is most often the second offender who gets the penalty. Reacting to violence with violence always continues until someone gets hurt.
To me, the right to protest is golden. The right to demand that someone do something about your protest is silly. You have the right to speak - you do not have the right to an audience.
And you certainly don't have the right to be believed. You have to convince doubters that you are right. You do not have the right to beat them into submission.
Going to a place to protest a speaker is one thing. Prevention that speaker from speaking should be a criminal act. Committing violence in the act of preventing a someone from speaking is a high felony. Putting the onus on the speaker to prevent the violence is retarded and bass-awkward.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 8:25 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:15 am to Obtuse1
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I think true love for a country requires a constant vigilance to make it better.
...within the framework of the Constitution. What we see from the media, Democrat politicians, Antifa, and college campuses is the total disregard for the founding documents and eagerly stifling conversations with which they don't agree.
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I further think that labeling anyone that you don't agree with a nasty pejorative is intellectually weak.
Do the terms "racist," "nazi," white supremacist" ring a bell? That's what those of us who are right-of-center are called when we don't agree with the left's narrative. We're now called "racist" simply for calling out the NFL players and their silly protests.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 8:19 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:19 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm not "consumed", just curious how people can defend actually shooting at the flag, and be outraged over kneeling before the flag.
And when did kneeling become so disrespectful?
Someone should tell the Catholics.
you are all over the map with your attempted equivalences and comparisons - none of them make any sense.
If you are tying to make a point other than "confederacy was evil" you are failing miserably.
If you are really equating the act of praying with the act of disrespecting the anthem, then your are too stupid to engage in conversation with.
try to present a cogent statement or begone - done with you.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:21 am to AU86
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What kind of upbringing did these people receive? What does it say about their parents?
I mean these dregs remind me of those damn protestors and hippies from the Vietnam War era.
Anti- American.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:22 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Do the terms "racist," "nazi," white supremacist" ring a bell? That's what those of us who are right-of-center are called when we don't agree with the left's narrative. We're now called "racist" simply for calling out the NFL players and their silly protests.
And this is the thing that has infected the MSM to its core - they are so ingrained with the prog/DEM agenda that they intentionally or lazily fall into labeling any expression of conservatism as "racist." No intellectual curiosity or journalistic integrity lives there.
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